Interesting item over at Progressive Railroading's site. Perhaps someone can set this up as a hot link. Thanks!
http://www.progressiverailroading.com/passenger_rail/article/All-Aboard-Florida-execs-talk-Siemens-train-purchase-funding-options--42518?
Perhaps this will make the article available.
Overmod Perhaps this will make the article available.
Thanks
Buslist Overmod Perhaps this will make the article available. Thanks
CSSHEGEWISCH That is correct, but C&NW was the first to use HEP and run them as push-pulls.
That is correct, but C&NW was the first to use HEP and run them as push-pulls.
depends on what your definition of HEP is. Most of the Chicago area commuter roads supplied lighting power to even their heavyweight cars from the locomotive, or in the case of the Q a car with a lighting generator. ( remember the extra step box on the Rock's RS3s or the squared off lower nose on the North Western's geep 7s?) The higher capacity HEP of modern times was required by the addition of AC.
Buslist CSSHEGEWISCH That is correct, but C&NW was the first to use HEP and run them as push-pulls. depends on what your definition of HEP is. Most of the Chicago area commuter roads supplied lighting power to even their heavyweight cars from the locomotive, or in the case of the Q a car with a lighting generator. ( remember the extra step box on the Rock's RS3s or the squared off lower nose on the North Western's geep 7s?) The higher capacity HEP of modern times was required by the addition of AC.
C&NW, CA&E, MILW, CGW and IC fan
with the old heavyweight commuter cars, some used electric and some used steam for heating, but all used head-end electric for lighting except the PRR Valporaiso trains, which had axle generators.
daveklepper with the old heavyweight commuter cars, some used electric and some used steam for heating, but all used head-end electric for lighting except the PRR Valporaiso trains, which had axle generators.
Know the Wabash didn't use head end lighting until into the N&W era, I don't believe C&WI or NYC's Elkhart local did either.
I think C&WI did use head-end lighting, because they used Stillwell suburban cars identacle to those on the Erie in their Jersey City service, and those definitely were equipped for head-end lighting. I did not know that the Central ran any suburban service. The Elkhart Local is news to me. When did it last run? i also do not know of any B&O, Pere Marqette, or Erie Chicago suburban service. Where there any?
The Stillwell coaches used by CWI were purchased used from Erie.
CSSHEGEWISCH The Stillwell coaches used by CWI were purchased used from Erie.
Apparently in 1950. These were 'composite' Stillwells; Elwood has them built 6/26 with the original Erie numbers in the 2300 series. This was right at the time the road dieselized with RS-1s:
Can't find any information of what was on the RS-1s to provide lighting power, but they were built new for C&WI, and some of them have survived into preservation (perhaps with the equipment still installed).
EDIT: A roster note says that combine #40 was 'trainline lighting only'.
That was the "Dolton Demon," wasn't it?
Johnny
Overmod CSSHEGEWISCH The Stillwell coaches used by CWI were purchased used from Erie. Apparently in 1950. These were 'composite' Stillwells; Elwood has them built 6/26 with the original Erie numbers in the 2300 series. This was right at the time the road dieselized with RS-1s: Can't find any information of what was on the RS-1s to provide lighting power, but they were built new for C&WI, and some of them have survived into preservation (perhaps with the equipment still installed). EDIT: A roster note says that combine #40 was 'trainline lighting only'.
Been looking at quite a few Western Indiana RS1 shots. Can't find any with any sort of train lighting connections on the end. And this shot of coach 42 doesen't appear to have any as well although it may be hidden back in the train door where the traditional bus connection was. Note however the car seems to have a battery box. [html] http://www.rr-fallenflags.org/cwi/cwi-co42alr.jpg [/html]
daveklepper I think C&WI did use head-end lighting, because they used Stillwell suburban cars identacle to those on the Erie in their Jersey City service, and those definitely were equipped for head-end lighting. I did not know that the Central ran any suburban service. The Elkhart Local is news to me. When did it last run? i also do not know of any B&O, Pere Marqette, or Erie Chicago suburban service. Where there any?
The Elkhart local is reported to have lasted until '64. Before the war (and probably during) there were several NYC locals between Chicago and Gary and Chicago and Chesterton. Depending on how far back you want to go there were local trains on the C&EI, GTW, B&OCT, CGW, and things like Chicago to Aurora on the C&NW as well as Chicago to Williams Bay via West Chicago and Elgin, and up the Belvidere sub to Rockford and Freeport. I also believe the IC operated out the Iowa Division to Addison ( which was off on a branch about 2 miles north of the main).
The GTW had a significant funeral business serving 4 cemeteries on its route. My Great Grandfather was laid to rest via that route.
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