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[quote user="henry6"] But priced properly for who and by who?  If the rider is not the main beneficiary of the service, what is his share compared to a town that wouldn't exist if there were no riders or businesses who benefit because employees can use rail or bus to commute to and from work...(benefit to business: not have to maintain huge parking lots which are taxed; commuters can get to and from place of employment with little or no hassel from service with integrety and reliablity.  Towns benefit because they don't need to take property off tax roles for parking spaces and the attended need for patroling; retailers and other besinesses benefit by customers using public transportation, etc.).  Again, where do we draw the line where there is a cash benefit...to the rider, to the business or manufacturing facility, or to the municipallit(ies?) which it serves.  We are so far along, admittedly, that this is an answer which is unfathomable to most people, and may be more rhetorical than anything.  Maybe what I am saying is that we've got to attach values and not just costs to public transportation. [/quote] The rider in the case of public transport or the motorists in the case of the highways totes the full note.  If public transit adds value for the community or a business or whatever, they can help defer the cost of the note with voucher subsidies.  That is exactly what my corporate employer did.  It bought bus and train passes from Dallas Area Rapid Transit (DART) and sold them to employees at a discount because it believed it was in the interest of the business to do so.  I was one of seven managers out of more than 750 who rode public transit. However, neither my employer or most riders had any idea of what the service really cost.  And therein lies the problem.  Because no one fully understands the cost, i.e. it is not reflected at the price point, all sorts of bad decisions were made about its construction and operation.  And the drum beat goes on, unfortunately, and always will as long as people mask the cost of goods, services, government, etc.
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