The Pennsy been outta buisness for like 45 years and many long distance trains there dont go to PA...anyone got any ideas for a new name.
How about Amtrak New York Station? The station is owned by Amtrak so the name is accurate. Of course the Long Island Railroad and New Jersey Transit also use the station all those names are impossible.
The name "Pennsylvania" would live on in Newark Penn Station. That is alright to me; the 1935 masterpiece is intact. But after the Pennsylvania Railroad's act of destruction in Manhattan I would be happy to see the name forgotten there.
How about Union Station, since it serves three railroads?
C&NW, CA&E, MILW, CGW and IC fan
I'd like "Pennsylvania Station" for traditions sake. "You leave the Pennsylvania Station at a quarter-to-four..." as the song goes, but Bonaventure's right, the Pennsy ain't in business anymore.
"Manhattan Station" sounds good, or "New York Union Station"
But you know what's going to happen, don't you? If and when it's built it'll be named for some damn politician who had nothing to do with railroads.
What about Empire Station?
Put the naming rights out for bid!
Never too old to have a happy childhood!
BaltACD Put the naming rights out for bid!
Build it in the style of the old station, and sell the naming rights to the New York Times. Call it Times New Roman Station.
-Don (Random stuff, mostly about trains - what else? http://blerfblog.blogspot.com/)
How many years has it been since the New York Central departed or arrived at Grand Central Terminal? Do you think Knickerbockers are going to just stop using that name? Why?
As I've said here before, no one is going to call it Moynahan Station in the future. It'll still be Penn Station.
These stations may legally be owned by railroads but they are emotionally owned by New Yorkers, who couldn't care less what non-New Yorker railfans think the stations ought to be called.
So go ahead. Suggest any "better" or "more accurate" names you wish. But think you can change the habits of New Yorkers? Fuggedaboutit.
Yes, and they still call The Avenue of the Americas Sixth Avenue. Even the Transit Authority knows that and the signs on buses and subway cars comform to usage, not the street signs.
As an aside, Metra calls it the Ogilvie Transportation Center but people still call it North Western Station. The same can be said for Millenium Station, it's still Randolph Street Station.
.....Yes, My opinion would be to retain the "Pennsylvania Station" name, perhaps with a prefix, or a word added to it to show it's a modern version of the original. Example: Something like "21th Century Pennsylvania Station" Something to show it would be "new" for this new century.
Quentin
It should remain unchanged. If it is renamed I GUARANTEE it will be named for a politician. I am so tired of arrogant politicians being eternally memorialized on Ships, Post Offices, highways, bridges, military bases, and other government buildings.
Dave
Lackawanna Route of the Phoebe Snow
daveklepperYes, and they still call The Avenue of the Americas
Well yes, Dave, but I think Park Avenue for 4th Avenue has caught on even with New Yorkers.
John
To John R:
Good point about 4th Avenue. One of these days such people might get used to a different name for Longacre Square or find Madison Square Garden on 7th Avenue.
(from my typewriter on my way to Idlewild Airport)
CSSHEGEWISCH As an aside, Metra calls it the Ogilvie Transportation Center but people still call it North Western Station. The same can be said for Millenium Station, it's still Randolph Street Station.
Johnny
And people still call Los Angeles Union Station "Los Angeles Union Terminal", and almost all non-railfans refer to Grand Central Terminal as "Grand Central Station". So I see it living on as Penn Station regardless of any new name.
Deggesty CSSHEGEWISCH As an aside, Metra calls it the Ogilvie Transportation Center but people still call it North Western Station. The same can be said for Millenium Station, it's still Randolph Street Station. When I first saw the name "Millennium," I wondered where it was, until I saw something about a Millennium railroad station, and then I deduced that that was the Randolph Street Station. What is the reasoning behind the new name?
Because it's located underneath Millenium Park.
CSSHEGEWISCHAs an aside, Metra calls it the Ogilvie Transportation Center but people still call it North Western Station.
I still call it North Western station, as do many others 50 and older. But a whole generation or more have been calling it Ogilvie and [sadly] the trains have been called Metra or RTA since the late 70's.
Park Avenue was named after the electrification and the complete covering of the remaining NYCRR (OK NYC&HR at the time or NY&Harlem) in open sections south of 97th Street, with the small parks forming a neutral strip in the middle. Quite a change from what was really more of a steam railroad right-of-way than an avenue. Then, most of the housing that followed was new. People did call Park Avenue South, south of 42nd St., 4th Avenue for a while, as I remember from my childhood, but the fact that the Avenue north of 42nd had been called Park Avenue since 1906 made the change fairly fast. But the change from 6th of Ave of Americas only produced South American nations' flags on lamposts and no other physical change. It is still the Sixth Avenue Subway! And the station signs on the 14th Street - Canarsie "L" train read Sixth Avenue. And it is still Pennsylvania Station, Newark, used by PATH, NJT (buses, trains, and light rail), and Amtrak. Today, though, some New Yorkers do refer to "the Metro North Station" when referring to Grand Central Terminal, calling the subway station and/or the Post Office Grand Central Station. It is still 4th Avenue 9th St. - 33rd St. South of 9th Street, 3rd and 4th Avenues join to become The Bowery, which extends down to Chatham Square.
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