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[quote user="dakotafred"] Sam1 seems to be arguing a matter of abstract principle rather than meaningful dollars and cents, and I am puzzled as to why unless it's from enjoyment of argumentation for its own sake. It can't be from class envy or resentment, because sam1 has regaled us with plenty of tales of his own first-class travels. /quote] There is nothing abstract about Amtrak's subsidies, which in 2010 were approximately $3.6 billion, and were intended to cover operating losses as well as make capital improvements.  In the scheme of things, i.e. the federal deficit, it is a relatively small amount of money, but I have long believed that one cannot put out a fire (national deficit and debt) by pouring just a little more gasoline on it. I would like to see all transport subsidies go away.  Although there is a role for government in jump starting national transport infrastructure, the users should pay for it, as well as any operating and maintenance costs.  If they will not do so, the transport mode, especially commercial modes, should be allowed to whither away. Since you know nothing about my income, class, etc., your comments are out of place and have nothing to do with the subject.  If you think that the Acela service does not receive a subsidy from the federal government or people who use any premium service, irrespective of the carrier, and are paying for it with an expense account, are not passing it on to others, thereby enjoying the ride on someone else, make a case for your view with logic and facts.  But stop throwing barbs that have nothing to do with the discussion.  Forums are for airing differing points of view.  They are not for rants agains the participants.
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