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does amtrak make a profit or are they still being subsidised by the Govornment
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<p>[quote user="schlimm"]</p> <p>Whether or not taxpayers use a service directly is irrelevant. You are comparing apples and oranges. Some services are totally government funded because they are a part of the government, while some, like Amtrak, are public corporations, in which all the stock is held by the federal government. The difference between total expenses and revenues from the fare box = the subsidy from the US Treasury, which in the case of Amtrak long distance routes is pretty high.</p> <div style="clear:both;"></div> <p>[/quote]</p> <p style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt;"><span style="font-family: verdana,geneva;"><span style="font-size: small;">Well speaking of apples and oranges:</span></span></p> <p style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt;"><span style="font-size: small;"><span style="font-family: verdana,geneva;"><span style="font-size: small;"> <o:p></o:p></span></span></span></p> <p style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt;"><span style="font-family: verdana,geneva;"><span style="font-size: small;">If I take a dollar out of my pocket and give to a guy who owns an apple tree, and he gives me an apple, have I subsidized the guy with the apple tree?</span></span></p> <p style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt;"><span style="font-size: small;"><span style="font-family: verdana,geneva;"><span style="font-size: small;"> <o:p></o:p></span></span></span></p> <p style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt;"><span style="font-family: verdana,geneva;"><span style="font-size: small;">Now, if I take a dollar out of my pocket and give to the government, and they turn around and give it to the guy with the apple tree, and he gives me an apple, has the government subsidized the guy with the apple tree?</span></span></p> <p style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt;"><span style="font-size: small;"><span style="font-family: verdana,geneva;"><span style="font-size: small;"> <o:p></o:p></span></span></span></p> <p style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt;"><span style="font-family: verdana,geneva;"><span style="font-size: small;">Either way, the guy with the apple tree got the dollar and I got the apple. </span></span></p> <p style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt;"><span style="font-size: small;"><span style="font-family: verdana,geneva;"><span style="font-size: small;"> <o:p></o:p></span></span></span></p> <p><span style="font-size: 12pt; mso-fareast-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-ansi-language: EN-US; mso-fareast-language: EN-US; mso-bidi-language: AR-SA;"><span style="font-family: verdana,geneva;"><span style="font-size: small;">Either way, there is no grant involved, which is necessary to constitute a subsidy.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span><span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>It is strictly payment for goods. <span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span></span></span></span></p>
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