PNWRMNM Henry, You can answer one simple question. Do you favor free enterprise solutions or statist solutions. It is an either or question. Pick one. Mac
Henry,
You can answer one simple question. Do you favor free enterprise solutions or statist solutions. It is an either or question. Pick one.
Mac
I will address your question as you can take both sides. Why not let the class 1s take a tax abatment on all infrastructure and maintenance for HrSR that is passenger rail specific? Also meet the PRIIA on time goals with obvious mitigation of unforseen problems. This was the practice for many years on the GA RR ATL - Augusta although that was an unacceptable mixed train service.
another question is how can this country get an integrated transportation system. The system that has come into service in Switzerland may be the closest to a template. That is you can drive or walk to a bus or light rail then take light rail to intercity train station in Zurich, Geneva , or other city and then reverse to final destination.It appears that France and Germany both are copying this type of service with inter country service also to SU. Now the UK is trying to so the same thing.
D.Carleton Sam1: There may be some lessons in history, although I am doubtful that we learn from them. Which leaves history as an interesting topic for discussion as long as we recognize that most of it is irrelevant to solving today's problems. Please tell us this was written in the spirit of facetiousness.
Sam1: There may be some lessons in history, although I am doubtful that we learn from them. Which leaves history as an interesting topic for discussion as long as we recognize that most of it is irrelevant to solving today's problems.
Please tell us this was written in the spirit of facetiousness.
This reply makes no sense.
blue streak 1 PNWRMNM: Henry, You can answer one simple question. Do you favor free enterprise solutions or statist solutions. It is an either or question. Pick one. Mac I will address your question as you can take both sides. Why not let the class 1s take a tax abatment on all infrastructure and maintenance for HrSR that is passenger rail specific? Also meet the PRIIA on time goals with obvious mitigation of unforseen problems. This was the practice for many years on the GA RR ATL - Augusta although that was an unacceptable mixed train service. another question is how can this country get an integrated transportation system. The system that has come into service in Switzerland may be the closest to a template. That is you can drive or walk to a bus or light rail then take light rail to intercity train station in Zurich, Geneva , or other city and then reverse to final destination.It appears that France and Germany both are copying this type of service with inter country service also to SU. Now the UK is trying to so the same thing.
PNWRMNM: Henry, You can answer one simple question. Do you favor free enterprise solutions or statist solutions. It is an either or question. Pick one. Mac
I am going to San Francisco next week. After getting my bag at the airport, I will take a short walk to the BART station, where I will board a train for the Civic Center station. I will walk back one or two blocks and jump on one of the Van Ness Avenue buses for a short ride to my hotel. I can do the same thing in New York, Baltimore, Philadelphia, Washington, Dallas, etc. My point? We have a lot more integration in public transport in the United States than many people realize.
No matter where the discussion leads in our forums, no one wants to talk seriously about the $64 question. Well, actually, its a $15.3 trillion question at the federal level, plus another $2.5 trillion at the state and local level, not to mention $48 trillion in unfunded liabilities. Its call the debt problem. And it gives rise to this question. Were are we going to get the money for the grand schemes envisioned my some folks?
Sam1 D.Carleton: Sam1: There may be some lessons in history, although I am doubtful that we learn from them. Which leaves history as an interesting topic for discussion as long as we recognize that most of it is irrelevant to solving today's problems. Please tell us this was written in the spirit of facetiousness. This reply makes no sense.
D.Carleton: Sam1: There may be some lessons in history, although I am doubtful that we learn from them. Which leaves history as an interesting topic for discussion as long as we recognize that most of it is irrelevant to solving today's problems. Please tell us this was written in the spirit of facetiousness.
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D.Carleton Sam1: D.Carleton: Sam1: There may be some lessons in history, although I am doubtful that we learn from them. Which leaves history as an interesting topic for discussion as long as we recognize that most of it is irrelevant to solving today's problems. Please tell us this was written in the spirit of facetiousness. This reply makes no sense. Question answered, thank you.
Sam1: D.Carleton: Sam1: There may be some lessons in history, although I am doubtful that we learn from them. Which leaves history as an interesting topic for discussion as long as we recognize that most of it is irrelevant to solving today's problems. Please tell us this was written in the spirit of facetiousness. This reply makes no sense.
Question answered, thank you.
Don't misinterpret me. Your reply and the link make no sense.
This whole discussion is, and has been from the begining total nonsense. It started with no clear statement other than that some guy, who none of us seems to know anything about, said something Henry liked.
The headline is also utter nonsense. Intercity Rail (Amtrak) is a government monopoly carrying on a business model that had clearly failed by 1960. I can not immagine any private operator being so stupid as to think they can make money on intercity passenger transportation anywhere in the US whether in "competition" with ATK or if given an exclusive franchise on one or more routes..
Sam1 No matter where the discussion leads in our forums, no one wants to talk seriously about the $64 question. Well, actually, its a $15.3 trillion question at the federal level, plus another $2.5 trillion at the state and local level, not to mention $48 trillion in unfunded liabilities. Its call the debt problem. And it gives rise to this question. Were are we going to get the money for the grand schemes envisioned my some folks?
AND :
"The headline is also utter nonsense. Intercity Rail (Amtrak) is a government monopoly carrying on a business model that had clearly failed by 1960. I can not immagine any private operator being so stupid as to think they can make money on intercity passenger transportation anywhere in the US whether in "competition" with ATK or if given an exclusive franchise on one or more routes.."
Basically, what I am saying is that if these two statements, along with the worry about whether I am a capitalist or socialist, are at the forefront of any thought of planning our transportation infrastructure and service structure, then nothing can be accomplished. All is dead in the water or in its own tracks. Determine the needs, determine the mechanics, the benefits and the benefactors then design and plan it. Then allocate the costs as need be. If it is all private enterprise, fine. If it is all government, fine. If it is a combination of private enterprise and government, fine. But if you worry about the end before you determine the end product, you'll never get an answer or structure or plan from which to work. I think I know the answer will be a combination of private enterprise and governments; just like it has been in this country since 1776.
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Next time I see Stan I have to congratulate him; he really knows how to get people talking. That said, having met Mr. Feinsod and having been present for his excellent presentation at the Railway Age conference I may say with confidence that a new era in transportation is dawning in this country. Already, the private passenger train operators carry more people than Amtrak each year with their numbers growing. The year is no longer 1960 and paradigms are changing. Mr. Feinsod was kind enough to give us a fore gleam into this future. Everyone else may read about it after-the-fact in the pages of Trains.
Next time I see Stan I have to congratulate him; he really knows how to get people talking.
That said, having met Mr. Feinsod and having been present for his excellent presentation at the Railway Age conference I may say with confidence that a new era in transportation is dawning in this country. Already, the private passenger train operators carry more people than Amtrak each year with their numbers growing. The year is no longer 1960 and paradigms are changing. Mr. Feinsod was kind enough to give us a fore gleam into this future. Everyone else may read about it after-the-fact in the pages of Trains.
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