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 "I think all this has to be factored in -- delays, weather, security, the "real life" concerns.  IMHO if Amtrak could field passenger trains that would be from downtown Chicago to downtown Detroit, RELIABLY, in four to four-and-a-half hours, they would do good business.  Now, is it possible to do this without electrification?  The evidence from VIA's corridor suggests that the answer is yes."So what do you do when you get to "downtown" Detroit? Not much a real destination. I suspect most travellers final destination would be somewhere in the suburbs. How do they get there?
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