Ex Kansas City and Cleveland PCCs in Toronto.

[NDG]

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[BR60103]

Toronto had the largest fleet of PCC cars. They also had the largest fleet of used PCC cars: Cleveland, Cincinatti, Birmingham and Kansas City. Except for Kansas City, I think they bought entire rosters.

They were also the first system to scrap a PCC.

 

[daveklepper]

I think Boston scrapped one earlier, wreck damage with parts retained for use.

Toronto still has two PCCs rostered for charter service.

Some Toronto cars are is service in San Francisco (or currently out-of-service and held for future Brookville Engineering rebuilding) and Kenosha.

Some ex-Cleveland cars were ex-Louisville but never in revenue service there.

Pittsburgh had the largest fleet of all-new cars, none second-hand, around 665.

Toronto's fleet was largest (over 700) just before the opening of the East-West Bloor-Danforth subway line, the second one after Young Street.  Both subway lines replaced the heaviest streetcar lines, Young using Peter-Witt motor cars hauling center-door trailers, and Bloor-Danforth at the end running two-car mu PCC's, some ex-Cleveland, built with mu wiring but never used mu in Cleveland.  (Shaker Heigths used mu PCCs in Cleveland.)

[CSSHEGEWISCH]

Chicago Surface Lines/CTA had 683 PCC streetcars, both pre-war (Blue Geese) and postwar (Green Hornets).  They started going to scrap in 1950-1951 with many of the parts used in the PCC rapid transit cars (6201-6720 and 1-50).

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daveklepper

Pittsburgh had the largest fleet of all-new cars, none second-hand, around 665.

Toronto's fleet was largest (over 700) just before the opening of the East-West Bloor-Danforth subway line, the second one after Young Street.  

 

 

 

Pittsburgh's fleet was 663 new cars, Chicago's was 683. Toronto's fleet was 540 new 225 used. But the largest fleet of cars using PCC technology (TRC patents) was Moscow at 2249 cars.

[rcdrye]

Pittsburgh's PCC count was 666.

100 (later M-1)

1000-1099

1100-1199

1200-1299

1400-1499

1500-1599

1600-1664

1700-1799

Of those all were StLCC air-electric except 1600 and 1700-1799.  1600 was an all-electric prototype, complete with standee windows, and 1700-1799 were all-electric.  Some of the 1700s were equipped for interurban service with Clark B-3 trucks, pilots and roof-mounted headlights.

Electrical equipment was usually split 75/25 Westinghouse/GE.

Chicago's were 83 prewar air-electric, 600 postwar all-electric.  The postwars were split about 60/40 StLCC/Pullman. All of the prewars were StLCC.

[daveklepper]

I stand corrected by the above numbers except for one item.

1600 was all-electric but without standee windows.  I am fairly certain I saw the car, may have ridden in it.  The body was the same as the air-electric 1601-1664.

But RC, some of the 1700's and a few of the 1600's, 1700's as built and 1600's modified, where configured as interurban cars.  Instead of hanging life-savers underfloor front gates, they had locomotive-type pilots, a small luggage area instead of one seat directly behind the operator, and a roof-mounted second headlight.   Also trucks similar to those later used on CTA rapid-transit PCC "Spam-Cans" (1-50 and the 6000's).  RC, do you know the numbers?   They were used on the Charleroi (Rosco) and Washington interurban lines.   I think these were the last Pittsburgh PCC's in service into the Light Rail era on the line to the loop at Drake.  They may have been equipped with a different horn as well.

[NDG]

 

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[BR60103]

Dave

Boston scrapped a car in 1953 (3001) and another in 1954 (3010 "demolished against an elevated pillar in Jamaica Plain). Toronto scrapped 4063 in 1947.

For the record, it's Yonge street, not Young.

[NDG]

 

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[CSSHEGEWISCH]

Until recently, there were a number of ancient carbarns still in service with CTA.  Archer & Rockwell was lettered for Chicago City Railway Co. and Cottage Grove and 52nd was lettered for Chicago Motor Coach Co.

[Buslist]

CSSHEGEWISCH

Until recently, there were a number of ancient carbarns still in service with CTA.  Archer & Rockwell was lettered for Chicago City Railway Co. and Cottage Grove and 52nd was lettered for Chicago Motor Coach Co.

 

If they are still sound structures so what?

[NDG]

 
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[NDG]

 

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[54light15]

NDG- Just north of there was the car barn where all the electric buses were kept and serviced, now it's a field full of piles of gravel. To be built on one day, I suppose. You can still see some of the poles used for the trolley bus wire if you know where to look and just what you're looking at.

[NDG]

 

Have to love Google!!

[54light15]

There's talk of making King Street streetcar only from Bathurst to Parliament during the week but I doubt it will happen. There are no plans, hope nor talk of making the King, Queen, Dundas, Bathurst or College streetcars run in a right of way as St. Clair and Spadina are now. However, the Bathurst does run in a right of way but on Fleet st. only. The Kitchener/Waterloo LRV is well under way. I was there last week and track construction is almost finished. There's construction barriers everywhere making driving around it pretty tough so I will wait until it's running before looking it over.

[Tony Schill]

Actually, Pittsburgh Railways 1600 did have standee windows.  It was the prototype postwar all-electric PCC and survived until 1955, when it was destroyed in the Homewood Carbarn fire.

 

[NDG]

 

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