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Posted by narig01 on Saturday, July 13, 2013 3:44 PM
They can not have improved things to much. Next someone will complain about the trucks in the parking lot.
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Posted by Overmod on Sunday, July 7, 2013 5:56 PM

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The thing is, I can't help but wonder how long the storefront's going to stay vacant until the landlord finds someone willing to pay the rent to move in.

Usually safe to assume that the landlord HAS someone to move into it before they kick out an established tenant.  (Or has another reason to make or keep the space vacant).  That story is from early 2012; I'd be willing to speculate that space at the Mall was filled within months -- here is the Google Street View:

https://maps.google.com/maps?q=2845+Richmond+Ave+Staten+Island,+NY+10314&ie=UTF-8&hq=&hnear=0x89c24b831d91856f:0x8d0426a88e81a218,2845+Richmond+Ave,+Staten+Island,+NY+10314&gl=us&ei=S-HZUbOGJIjs8wTlzYCADg&ved=0CCsQ8gEwAA

Still -- it's a shame to lose Golden's!

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Posted by NorthWest on Sunday, July 7, 2013 4:47 PM

Overmod, the MBTA Red Line has TVs displaying the news, weather and line status in between the Inbound and Outbound tracks at their South Station.

Firelock, this thread has sort of turned into a NYC Subway, etc. thread!

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Posted by Firelock76 on Sunday, July 7, 2013 4:34 PM

Sad story about moving 978.

The thing is, I can't help but wonder how long the storefront's going to stay vacant until the landlord finds someone willing to pay the rent to move in.  I see it often enough, the rent on a commercial property gets raised, the business moves out, and the property stays vacant for months, if not years, until the landlord finds someone willing to pay the higher rent.

Seems like some people never heard the story of the goose that laid the golden eggs, or if they did, didn't get the moral.

Sorry to digress from the thread.

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Posted by Overmod on Sunday, July 7, 2013 4:24 PM

Here is a story about moving 978 from Golden's.

I find it a bit difficult to understand that, in this modern age where even buildings light up with full-color moving graphics, MTA didn't use three colors of LED or diffused laser diode to restore the color route identification.

The current single-color, coarse-pitch dot-matrix displays are almost worthless to people like me.  Is it really 'that' much more budget to use multiple-color drive, and graphics, to program these signs?  Much of the technology required is already costed-down, for example driver boards derived from PC display cards...

... and if THAT ain't enough to cover the costs, why not display short ads inline with the destination information? ...

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Posted by Overmod on Sunday, July 7, 2013 4:09 PM

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... If they are out to the eye, they are indeed out, but if they are only out to the camera's eye, then no, they are working correctly. High intensity LEDs are never on constantly but cycle to keep them somewhat cooler. Your camera was just faster than the LED circuits.

Not just to keep them cooler; matrixing LEDs is a very old way to reduce both circuit and power costs.  Look at the flicker on any old LED alarm clock, or wave your hand very quickly in front of the display (akin to  observing fluorescent-light 120pps strobing) and you can get an idea of the pattern.

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Posted by NorthWest on Sunday, July 7, 2013 3:08 PM

Unfortunately I don't have a good picture. It was a circle, but it had gaps in the ring. It was visible to the eye. 

Thanks for the videos,

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Posted by BroadwayLion on Sunday, July 7, 2013 11:48 AM

The (7) train is a breed apart. Some of those LEDs are supposed to be off. It can display a 7 in a circle or a 7 in a diamond depending on if it is an express or a local.

LION would have to see it to be sure that we are talking about the same things.

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Posted by NorthWest on Sunday, July 7, 2013 11:36 AM

The service indicator above the front door seemed to have 1/3 of the lights out. I noticed this particularly on the 7 trains.

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Posted by BroadwayLion on Sunday, July 7, 2013 11:16 AM

NorthWest
This spring I noticed some of the LEDs on the New Technology trains were partially burnt out. Are they having issues with them?

LION does not know what you are talking about. If they are out to the eye, they are indeed out, but if they are only out to the camera's eye, then no, they are working correctly. High intensity LEDs are never on constantly but cycle to keep them somewhat cooler. Your camera was just faster than the LED circuits.

If you want to photograph a train, and have the LED display be complete, you must use a slower speed setting that what the camera might otherwise choose.

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Posted by NorthWest on Saturday, July 6, 2013 9:17 PM

Yeah! The FIND is a welcome change, as on the R32s often the destination indicators were scratched or showing the wrong destination. This spring I noticed some of the LEDs on the New Technology trains were partially burnt out. Are they having issues with them?

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Posted by BroadwayLion on Saturday, July 6, 2013 8:36 PM

This is not your grandfather's subway car...

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Posted by NorthWest on Friday, July 5, 2013 10:40 AM

R-6 978 is that car. 

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Posted by joe323 on Friday, July 5, 2013 10:04 AM

Dave:

You mean the car that was in The Golden Deli, which closed last year when the landlord raised the rent to get a "better" class of tenets.  Anyway the car from what I understand is in storage in Brooklyn while the owner looks for a place he can afford.

 

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Posted by daveklepper on Thursday, July 4, 2013 9:33 PM

Thanks!   Also of note is that Staten Island, the Borough of Richmond, which has of course the SIRT, former B&O subsidiary, now running with R44's or R46's, has one R-1-R-9.   It is located in Golda's Restaurant (Kosher), located in the main shopping mall, where one can eat inside the car body located in the restuarant building.  I assume the restaurant still exists, haven't been there for 17-1/2 years.

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Posted by Firelock76 on Thursday, July 4, 2013 1:18 PM

Happy Independence Day to you Dave, over there in Isreal!  Hope you have a good one!

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Posted by daveklepper on Thursday, July 4, 2013 12:52 PM

I should point out that some of the 100's, R-1's,.did see service before the original "8th Avenue Subway" opened in 1932.  In late 1931 two eight-car trains ran on the BMT's Sea Beach line, with appropriate signs, carrying revenue passengers, as a test, between Times Square and Coney Island.  So, it can be thought of as 48 years of continuous service.

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Posted by daveklepper on Thursday, July 4, 2013 12:16 PM

Might actually get to see that R-6!

Regarding the train, 100 was the first, the sample car, and 1802 was the last one built.  

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Posted by NorthWest on Thursday, July 4, 2013 10:47 AM

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Subway trivia! There is one Arnine that exists outside of the US. Where is it, and which car is it?

Alright, the answer is R-6 # 1144, Buckinghamshire, England. The story is here.

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Posted by daveklepper on Wednesday, July 3, 2013 7:12 AM

THANKS     THESE ARE THE SUBWAY TRAINS I RODE MOST OFTEN AS A CHILD THROUGH HIGHSCHOOL

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Posted by NorthWest on Tuesday, July 2, 2013 9:28 PM

So, the Arnine list: (by order in train)

1. 1802, R-9

2. 1000, R-6

3.  381,  R-1

4.  401,  R-4

5. 1300, R-6

6. 1575, R-10*

7.   484, R-4

8.   100, R-1

*-Built as an R-7, wrecked 196, rebuilt into body/interior but not mechanical prototype of R-10, and could only MU with Arnines, not R-10s.

So, they aren't all R-9s, but they are all Arnines.Smile Got to love fan lingo!

Overmod, the final Arnines were retired March 31, 1977! For some that was 47 years of service! I can only imagine what they would have sounded like in the late '70s.

Firelock, for more cars, see the other chapters of They Moved the Millions here.

Lion, thanks for the video! I didn't realize just how closely the lights were together. Ahh, the jointed rail noise... are they upgrading to CWR?

My Avatar is now a set of R32s at Chambers Street, taken this spring. Cars are 49 years old! Just thought I'd change the scenery a bit...   Lastly...

Subway trivia! There is one Arnine that exists outside of the US. Where is it, and which car is it?

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Posted by Firelock76 on Tuesday, July 2, 2013 6:58 PM

Wooden cars?  Really?  Well, it's a wasted day if you don't learn something new and I certainly did.

And NorthWest, thanks for the link!  Looks interesting and I'll have fun reading it.

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Posted by BroadwayLion on Tuesday, July 2, 2013 9:59 AM

The Arnines still have the howl of the bull gear, but maybe the camera did not pick it up, what with being out doors and all.

Today's video is from a set of R-32s running on the (C) line from Jay Street to Nassau Street.

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Posted by Overmod on Monday, July 1, 2013 11:57 PM

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Oh, the sound! SmileWowYeah

Thing is, they've fixed the gears.  When I saw the last of these things (on the IND 8th Avenue line in local service, IIRC mid-Seventies) they had the most wonderful eerie howl on acceleration.  The contemporary MP54s on the West Chester service out of Philadelphia had their own version of the sound.  That just added to the symphony...

Are those all R-9s, or are there also some other numbered "arnines" (R-1, R-4, R-6, R-7)?

I like that.  Good to know there are other orgo people out there...

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Posted by NorthWest on Monday, July 1, 2013 10:15 PM

Lion,

Oh, the sound! SmileWowYeah

Are those all R-9s, or are there also some other numbered "Arnines" (R-1, R-4, R-6,)?

Firelock, for the elevated cars, look here:

-http://www.nycsubway.org/wiki/Chapter_1,_The_Elevated_Lines

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Posted by BroadwayLion on Monday, July 1, 2013 9:03 PM

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Isn't that the kind of train King Kong (I mean the REAL King Kong!)  pulled off the elevated?

Nope. These never ran on the elevated. They are far too heavy for that. Those were wooden cars that raun on the El. They were much shorter and somewhat narrower.

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Posted by Firelock76 on Monday, July 1, 2013 8:54 PM

Cool!  Isn't that the kind of train King Kong (I mean the REAL King Kong!)  pulled off the elevated?

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R-9s on the loose in NYC
Posted by BroadwayLion on Monday, July 1, 2013 2:17 PM

A Railfan weekend sponsored by NYCT:

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