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Non Covid-19 air quality in subways

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Non Covid-19 air quality in subways
Posted by blue streak 1 on Friday, February 12, 2021 9:05 AM

The results of a pre Covid-19 study of NEC subways shows particles  much higher than thought.  Imagine it is soot, brake smoke and particles, asbesdos, etc.  PATH had one location of very high readings.  How will various agencies acknowledge this study ?

Pre–COVID-19 Subway Air Polluted from DC to Boston, But New York Region’s Is the Worst, Study Finds | NYU Langone News

 

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Posted by Overmod on Friday, February 12, 2021 12:18 PM

When I was commuting in from Englewood to Columbia before I started driving my father in, when I had time I'd ride the IRT from 168th to South Ferry and then back up to 116th; in those days the usual equipment had an opening pane in the front door window and it was great fun to have the wind in your face.

What I did not immediately notice was that making just this trip appreciably blackened your face and neck...

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Posted by GERALD L MCFARLANE JR on Friday, February 12, 2021 3:43 PM

blue streak 1

The results of a pre Covid-19 study of NEC subways shows particles  much higher than thought.  Imagine it is soot, brake smoke and particles, asbesdos, etc.  PATH had one location of very high readings.  How will various agencies acknowledge this study ?

Pre–COVID-19 Subway Air Polluted from DC to Boston, But New York Region’s Is the Worst, Study Finds | NYU Langone News

I highly doubt any agency will asknowledge the study, unless they paid for it, why would they?

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Posted by matthewsaggie on Friday, February 12, 2021 4:57 PM

Because when they are sued, and they will be, the first charge will be that they ignored the evidence from studies that reported the harmful effects of the tunnel air quality making their clients ill. You can't stick your head in the sand anymore. Leaves your ass in the air ready to be kicked.

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Posted by Electroliner 1935 on Friday, February 12, 2021 10:04 PM

While I have not been in NYC for over 15 years, my recollection was that mist subway cars used air brakes and not dynamic braking so I would suspect significant brake shoe particles in the air. I welcome corrections

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Posted by Overmod on Friday, February 12, 2021 11:12 PM

Electroliner 1935
While I have not been in NYC for over 15 years, my recollection was that mist subway cars used air brakes and not dynamic braking so I would suspect significant brake shoe particles in the air.

Dynamic braking came in with the R10s a few years after WWII and to my knowledge was extensively used on subsequent classes of car.  Well do I remember seeing 'hot grids' on a few trains...

Here's an introduction to the subject in New York.

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Posted by GERALD L MCFARLANE JR on Sunday, February 14, 2021 4:11 PM

matthewsaggie
Because when they are sued, and they will be, the first charge will be that they ignored the evidence from studies that reported the harmful effects of the tunnel air quality making their clients ill. You can't stick your head in the sand anymore. Leaves your ass in the air ready to be kicked.

One problem, the only this study did is test the air quality, it wasn't designed for nor did it study the effects of the air on the patrons(most of which aren't on or in the subway long enough to absorb particulate matter in sufficient quantities to cause harm), and anyways, that would fall under the jurisdiction of the EPA, which most likely doesn't care about the air in subways.

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Posted by matthewsaggie on Sunday, February 14, 2021 8:28 PM

It will simply trigger more studies to look at what you mentioned. Lawsuits can operate independently of the EPA.

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Posted by Flintlock76 on Sunday, February 14, 2021 9:17 PM

matthewsaggie

It will simply trigger more studies to look at what you mentioned. Lawsuits can operate independently of the EPA.

 

Ah yes, more studies. And of course, the people doing the studies won't be doing them free, yes?    No more than the people who do environmental impact studies do them free. 

And so it goes...

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