SRO on Times Square shuttle

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SRO on Times Square shuttle
Posted by wanswheel on Thursday, July 27, 2017 10:06 AM

NY subway system will be "launching a seat removal pilot program on select lines, beginning with the 'S' 42nd Street Shuttle and the 'L' line to increase capacity by 25 riders per car."


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Posted by daveklepper on Thursday, July 27, 2017 12:56 PM
While the twin headlights are indeed original (the first 130 -- out of the 720 6000s -- came this way. 4 of the 130, this pair & 6059-6060 Question, never got the 'cyclops' headlamp retrofit), the outside door controls, vaguely reminiscent of R1-12, are not. The first 200 came that way (years 1949-1951 I believe). After a few nasty conductor accidents, including a fatality I was told, both controls, left & right, of all 130 were relocated inside the A (odd number) car. 6201-6370 came with NY style conductor cabs. 6371-6720 had the same lay-out as first 200 retrofit, i.e., both conductor positions in the open* (no cab) in the A car. Sounds like Fox River got it right (& sentimental).

* Facilitated on board fare collection similar to Dyer Avenue.

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Posted by daveklepper on Thursday, July 27, 2017 12:57 PM

Sorry, put this on the wrong thread.   Apologies!

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Posted by daveklepper on Saturday, November 04, 2017 2:54 PM

but this posting from the New York Times is appropriate:

Midtown’s Mysterious Unused Shuttle Track





Earlier in 1904, as The New York Times was erecting the city’s second-tallest building at 42nd Street and Broadway, city politicians had changed the area’s name to “Times Square.” The new subway station below adopted the name.

Today, Times Square–42nd Street is by far the busiest station in the city’s subway system. In 1904, however, the area warranted only a local stop. Track 2 served downtown express trains, which bypassed the station.


The city was clamoring for more transit, so two major expansions to the original line were planned: One line would continue south from Times Square under Seventh Avenue, and one would go north from Grand Central, under Lexington Avenue. The new configuration, popularly called the “H” system, opened on August 1, 1918.

The result was mass confusion: hundreds of thousands of daily routines were suddenly changed, and the new labyrinthine stations at Times Square and Grand Central seemed to swallow countless lost commuters for hours.

Because the original Times Square station was a local stop, the shuttle at first had just two trains, on Tracks 1 and 4, the former local tracks. With so many people trying to replicate their old routine, however, dangerous crowds overflowed from the shuttle platforms. Just one day after the “H” system’s inauguration, officials announced they were suspending the shuttle service.

Officials briefly considered abolishing the shuttle before agreeing on a fix. In addition to improving signage and adding passageways, they made available a third shuttle track — Track 3, the former northbound express track — and covered Track 2 with wooden flooring so commuters could walk to the new track. Service resumed without problems on Sept. 28; it would take nearly three decades for the wood to be replaced with concrete.

The shuttle is not totally disconnected from the rest of the system. At Times Square, Track 4 links to to the northbound track of the 1 train. That route is usually covered by a pedestrian bridge, which allows passengers to walk around the shuttles.

You can still find evidence of the old Track 2 if you know where to look. When you’re in the tunnel between the two stations, for example, try to spot where the missing track should be. The void is obvious, and somewhat bizarre – as if someone simply forgot to lay down rails.

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