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VRE delays WED June 28

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VRE delays WED June 28
Posted by blue streak 1 on Thursday, June 29, 2017 3:50 AM
 
 

Predestrian strike completely gummed up VRE.  There has to be a better way.  MARC & Amtrak on the Penn line as well !

 

VRE Train Talk Alert <vre@public.govdelivery.com> Our trains can still only get as far as Burke Centre. Once Manassas Line #337 (Departs Union Station 6:50pm) arrives Burke, all passengers will disembark and board buses to their final destination station. 6:40pm There may be a slight delay offloading the Manassas #333 at Burke Centre due to crowded conditions on the sidewalks for passengers waiting for buses. Again we appreciate your patience while we wait for the buses to pick up passengers. 6:26pm We have a limited number of buses working to get people t

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Posted by BaltACD on Thursday, June 29, 2017 6:40 AM

What is the 'better way' for VRE or any other organization to handle these kinds of situations?

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Posted by blue streak 1 on Thursday, June 29, 2017 12:40 PM

BaltACD

What is the 'better way' for VRE or any other organization to handle these kinds of situations? 

How these investigations are being handled needs speeding up.  We had a simple accident on I-85 involving a law enforcement officer.  No fatalities.  Closed one direction of interstate for over 5 hours. It is time to stop every Tom, Dick & Harry butting in on investigations.  9 hours for the Amtrak - CSX investigation ?  There is an unconfirmed report on another site that someone in NJ government sent out an order and now all accident investiations are closed much quicker. 

At a certain level how many persons, businesses, government operations were delayed, cancelled, rescheduled, etc by the Amtrak, CSX, MARC mess yesterday ? .   

 

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Posted by BaltACD on Thursday, June 29, 2017 1:02 PM

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BaltACD

What is the 'better way' for VRE or any other organization to handle these kinds of situations?  

How these investigations are being handled needs speeding up.  We had a simple accident on I-85 involving a law enforcement officer.  No fatalities.  Closed one direction of interstate for over 5 hours. It is time to stop every Tom, Dick & Harry butting in on investigations.  9 hours for the Amtrak - CSX investigation ?  There is an unconfirmed report on another site that someone in NJ government sent out an order and now all accident investiations are closed much quicker. 

At a certain level how many persons, businesses, government operations were delayed, cancelled, rescheduled, etc by the Amtrak, CSX, MARC mess yesterday ? .   

Three letters - CSI

Every local agency now thinks they have to do a FULL CSI style investigation of any and every incident and all that takes time.  Additionally first responders can not pronounce a individual dead, it takes an official Coroner or his representative and in the Metropolitan DC area, the coroner does not remove the body from the scene - a private service is contracted to perform that action.  Time Time Time - responders are on the clock and getting paid for their time.

Once a incident happens - railroad - highway - waterway or other location the scene is then in the hands of the local authorities PERIOD.  From experience, they don't want to be told what to do or hurried in their duties - if pressured they just slow down all the more.

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Posted by blue streak 1 on Thursday, June 29, 2017 2:12 PM

BaltACD
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Once a incident happens - railroad - highway - waterway or other location the scene is then in the hands of the local authorities PERIOD.  From experience, they don't want to be told what to do or hurried in their duties - if pressured they just slow down all the more.

 

 
BALT:  Have to agree to that 100%.  The Amtrak CSX incident had almost 200(?) passengers held hostage 2000 / 3000 feet from station.  The train (175) stopped beyond the accident scene and none of the passengers were even remotely involve with the accident.  Surely a road foreman or just engineer could have taken the train into WASH .  As an alternative run another train abeam of 175 and transfer the passenger over.. 
 
Another item was the Amtrak train on the near track or far track ?  Question -- Why were the CSX employees walking on the NEC instead of on CSX ROW ?
 
If trains could have been allowed at restricted speed past accident site then the problems for MARC and Amtrak passengers would been geatly reduced.  Guesses are 50,00 passengers ?
 
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Posted by BaltACD on Thursday, June 29, 2017 3:12 PM

Google Earth view of the area that I annotated a bit

Train was operating on CSX #1 track (Westward or North track) and (from news pictures I saw) it was crossed over to #2 (Eastward or South track that is adjacent to Amtrak tracks ) in the part I have annotated 'Common Right of Way'.  From the news footage I was, the Westbound train stopped with its two engines and maybe 2 cars on #2 track with the balance of the train throught the crossovers at the control point known as F Tower.  The head end of the train appeared to be entirely in the limit of the F Tower control point.

In the area of the 'Common Right of Way' CSX and Amtrak tracks 'appear' to have 'standard spaceing' between them.  

As can be seen, Westbound (or South if you prefer) Amtrak's come around a curve before entering the area of Common Right of Way (with 80 MPH being the authorized speed).  With the area being 'in the city'; between street lights and other lights there would have been a high degree of background lighting that would have diminished the noticability of the Amtrak headlight.  Unknown if Amtrak was sounding horn and/or ringing bell for passing equipment on an adjacent track. I am guessing the CSX employees crossed to Amtrak property to complete their return to the head end after having come from the rear of the train to F Tower walking up CSX #2 track.  I don't know if the CSX employees were ON Amtrak track or were in the 'center ditch' between CSX #2 track and the nearest Amtrak track.  I am guessing they were in the center ditch but not clear of the width of the Amtrak equipment and never, for whatever reasons, noticed the approach of the Amtrak train.

One of those killed was the son of one of my supervisors before I retired. (click on the picture to expand it)

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