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2016 Budget for NM RailRunner Commuter Rail

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2016 Budget for NM RailRunner Commuter Rail
Posted by CandOforprogress2 on Thursday, April 27, 2017 1:42 PM

Instresting that track leases are not the most expensve part of there budget. But Passengers fare dont contribute much to the bottom line at all.

 https://www.riometro.org/images/pdf/rmrtd-fy16-rail-budget.pdf

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Posted by CSSHEGEWISCH on Friday, April 28, 2017 6:44 AM

The low percentage of fares as part of revenue is a bit unusual although it should be remembered that the RailRunner is pretty much a rush-hour-only operation, the service is still relatively new, and the passenger base is still in the process of being developed.

The daily commute is part of everyday life but I get two rides a day out of it. Paul
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Posted by CandOforprogress2 on Friday, April 28, 2017 11:10 AM

Yes its near the bottom but its unfair to compair to other systems that have multible lines I would assume that development around the stations may help pay for it

List of United States commuter rail systems by ridership[edit]

RankSystemMajor cities
served
Annual
Ridership
(2016)[1]
Average
Weekday
Ridership
(Q4 2016)[1]
Route
miles
Ridership
per mile
(Q4 2016)
Year
Opened
LinesStations
1 MTA Long Island Rail Road New York 103,196,800 354,800 321[2] 1,105 1834[3] 11[3] 124[3]
2 NJ Transit Rail New York / NewarkTrenton / Philadelphia 88,050,000 241,233[note 1] 530[4] 455 1983[5] 11[6][note 2] 164[6]
3 MTA Metro-North Railroad New York / Yonkers / Bridgeport 86,302,500 305,700 385[7] 794 1983Music 6[7] 122[7]
4 Metra Chicago 72,891,500 283,700 487.7[9] 582 1984 11[9] 241[9]
5 SEPTA Regional Rail Philadelphia 35,453,700 125,400 280[10] 448 1983 13[10] 153
6 MBTA Commuter Rail Boston / Worcester / Providence 33,749,600 127,500 368[11] 346 1973 13[11] 127[11]
7 Caltrain San Francisco / San Jose 19,038,300 56,100 77[12] 729 1987[note 3] 1 32[12]
8 Metrolink Los Angeles / San Bernardino 10,903,000 39,500 388[13] 102 1992 7[13] 55[13]
9 MARC Train Baltimore / Washington, D.C. 8,980,600 33,300 187 178 1984 3 43
10 UTA FrontRunner[14] Salt Lake City / Provo 4,545,800 17,200 88 195 2008 1 16
11 Virginia Railway Express Washington, D.C. 4,496,000 17,900 90[15] 199 1992 2[15] 18[15]
12 Denver RTD:
A and B Lines
Denver 4,317,400[note 4] 19,400 29[16] 669 2016 2 9
13 Tri-Rail Miami / Fort Lauderdale / West Palm Beach 4,175,000 14,200 70.9[17] 200 1987 1[17] 18[17]
14 Sounder Commuter Rail Seattle / Tacoma 4,163,400 15,800 83[18] 190 2000 2 9
15 NICTD South Shore Line Chicago / South Bend 3,503,700 11,700 90[19] 130 1903 1 20
16 Trinity Railway Express Dallas / Fort Worth 2,032,800 7,700 34 226 1996 1 10
17 Capitol Corridor San Jose / Oakland / Sacramento 1,573,200 5,100 168 30 1991 1 15
18 NCTD Coaster San Diego / Oceanside 1,503,700 4,600 41[20] 112 1995[20] 1[20] 8[20]
19 Keystone Service Philadelphia 1,492,000 4,900 104.6 47 1976(?) 1 12
20 Altamont Corridor Express (ACE) San Jose / Stockton 1,295,500 5,200 86[21] 60 1998 1[21] 10[21]
21 SunRail Orlando 877,600 2,404[note 1] 32[22] 75 2014 1 12[22]
22 New Mexico Rail Runner Express Albuquerque / Santa Fe 858,700 2,700 97 28 2006 1 13
23 Capital MetroRail Austin 810,100 2,700 32[23] 84 2010 1 9[23]
24 Northstar Line Minneapolis 711,300 2,400 40 60 2009 1 6
25 Shore Line East New Haven 606,300 1,900 59 32 1990 1 13
26 A-Train Denton 530,400 2,000 21 95 2011 1 6
27 Downeaster Boston / Brunswick, Maine 493,500 1,300 148 9 2001 1 12
28 Westside Express Service Beaverton 455,000 1,700 15 113 2010 1 5
29 Music City Star Nashville 280,900 1,200 32 38 2006 1 6

 

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Posted by K. P. Harrier on Saturday, April 29, 2017 4:25 PM

CandOforProgress2 (4-29):

Why would “track leases” there be of concern to anyone?

Matter of fact, your whole thread baffles me.  What are you trying to say?

Best,

K.P.

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Posted by CMStPnP on Sunday, April 30, 2017 2:10 PM

Some lines are built early in anticipation of urban development and because they want the land before rapid urbanization makes it impossible.     I know that Santa Fe and Albquerque both were heavily in demand as retirement communities and were growing as fast as some of the nicer areas of Phoenix at one point.   I don't know if that is still the case.

I believe much of the DART system was built 15-20 years ahead of the real projected need because of rapid urbanization of the DFW metroplex and the annual population growth.    So while it is nice to get the ridership figures now, you really have to look at the forecasts and if they are meeting ridership forecasts.

As for paying for the system from the farebox.   Was that the goal before the system was built?     A lot of these light rail systems and Amtrak as well holds fares below market because they want to encourage ridership and they see their mission more as pulling in new riders than self-sufficiency.    Additionally, the more riders they pull out of cars the more they can show the Feds they are conforming to anti-pollution laws which also might be a higher goal than self-sufficiency.     So you also have to see what the goals were when building the light rail system.    Was it to placate the Feds and pull people out of automobiles?   Was it to lead development and urban sprawl by a decade or more?    What was the intent or goal?     Is the goal being met using actuals vs forecast?

Actually, I am confused on Amtrak's goal because I have heard from Amtrak management that they want to encourage ridership using low fares and not really charging what they can for onboard meals in the diner.    Yet, when the opportunity arises during peak times and demand is there, not a huge increase in pricing to match demand.....as there might be if it was completely privately run.

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Posted by MikeF90 on Thursday, May 04, 2017 7:06 PM

Just took a look at the fares:

https://www.riometro.org/fares/train-fares/fares

IMO those Day and Monthly passes seem a little too generous. For instance, a one way five zone fare is $9 and a Day Pass is $10. Hmmm. I'll bet that most daily riders are two trips only, as this is not a city area light rail line.

For comparison, SoCal Metrolink regular fare from LAUS to Fullerton is $8.50, round trip $17 and 7 day pass $59.50 (say 11.90/day for weekday commuters). Also a pretty generous pass discount, but comparible.

Google Map links ---> Sunset Route overview, SoCal metro, Yuma sub, Gila sub, east of Tucson

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