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Brightline impact on tri rail
Posted by ROBERT WILLISON on Saturday, February 11, 2017 8:11 AM

I'm just wondering what impact brightline will have on tri rail.  They will be competing for some of the same customers. Brightline line has the better route, while tri rail has fore  stations.

Might not bode well for tri rail.

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Posted by CSSHEGEWISCH on Saturday, February 11, 2017 10:02 AM

I would think that any effect on Tri-Rail would be minimal.  Tri-Rail is a suburban operation that extends only to West Palm Beach with lots of close-in stations.

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Posted by ROBERT WILLISON on Saturday, February 11, 2017 10:39 AM

And so is brightline, with its stations located at down town locations rather than further west like tri rails

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Posted by BaltACD on Saturday, February 11, 2017 10:43 AM

BrightLine's intent is not to be a commuter carrier, to my knowledge.

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Posted by D.Carleton on Saturday, February 11, 2017 12:13 PM

Brightline and Tri-Rail aim to serve two different clientele. That said, the opening of Brightline opens the access of Tri-Rail to downtown Miami. The locals currently lament having to take "three trains" to get to downtown. If anything the work by Brightline should give a boost to Tri-Rail.

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Posted by CMStPnP on Sunday, February 12, 2017 5:09 PM

ROBERT WILLISON

I'm just wondering what impact brightline will have on tri rail.  They will be competing for some of the same customers. Brightline line has the better route, while tri rail has fore  stations.

Might not bode well for tri rail.

Do you really think their prices are going to be the same?   Seriously?

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Posted by daveklepper on Monday, February 13, 2017 4:24 AM

Take a look at the competition between Amtrak and the various suburban operators in the NEC.  Basicalliy, they serve different markets.

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Posted by bartman-tn on Monday, February 13, 2017 7:47 AM

Commuter trains and trains with a more intercity* focus like Amtrak and Brightline do serve mostly different markets, but there is an overlap. There can also be an assistance to each.

Yes, the prices are different, as are the services, but some people will use either service. In the southern Florida area, Tri-Rail will serve many more locations, giving them some advantage. This could mean that passengers ride Tri-Rail to a station near a Brightline station and then swap trains. I do this now in the New York, Chicago, Los Angeles, and Miami areas routinely.

I can see Brightline competing with Amtrak on the Miami-Orlando route, and with Tri-Rail south of West Palm Beach. However, with the routes apart from each other, and the focus being different, it will be that 10% overlap that will be interesting to watch.

*And on the issue of Intercity routes, many commuter routes are now of distances that they can probably also be called intercity. Some are as long as 2 hours and cover multiple states. Commuter agencies now routinely have cars with large baggage racks, restrooms, and wifi service. This can create a challenge for Amtrak and other more traditional intercity rail providers.

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Posted by ROBERT WILLISON on Monday, February 13, 2017 3:36 PM

bartman-tn

Commuter trains and trains with a more intercity* focus like Amtrak and Brightline do serve mostly different markets, but there is an overlap. There can also be an assistance to each.

Yes, the prices are different, as are the services, but some people will use either service. In the southern Florida area, Tri-Rail will serve many more locations, giving them some advantage. This could mean that passengers ride Tri-Rail to a station near a Brightline station and then swap trains. I do this now in the New York, Chicago, Los Angeles, and Miami areas routinely.

I can see Brightline competing with Amtrak on the Miami-Orlando route, and with Tri-Rail south of West Palm Beach. However, with the routes apart from each other, and the focus being different, it will be that 10% overlap that will be interesting to watch.

*And on the issue of Intercity routes, many commuter routes are now of distances that they can probably also be called intercity. Some are as long as 2 hours and cover multiple states. Commuter agencies now routinely have cars with large baggage racks, restrooms, and wifi service. This can create a challenge for Amtrak and other more traditional intercity rail providers.

Bart

 

I think your right brightline line definitely will compete with both Amtrak for traffic going from South Florida to Orlando. It is on the fec mainline, the same route Amtrak has been tring go use for its silver trains. The fec route from cocoa  to Mia hits all the  the city centers. The old sal route Thur South Florida is a bit too far west from the core cities.

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Posted by blue streak 1 on Monday, February 13, 2017 9:21 PM

We can only speculate what Brightline and Amtrak will accomplish.  Only a suspicion if "Sun Rail "  can operate out of MCO airport the brightline will probably bring many passenger to Sun rail especially passengers for Kissimmee.

The obvious later departures of Brightline from MIA and earlier arrivals there than Amtrak should attract many cruise passengers from the MIA / FLL / Palm beach area.  But those passengers will have a reduced need for rental cars and may use Amtrak more.

The Star Tampa SE Florida coast travel will still be large and may increase for the reasons stated ?

But all this is speculation until the actual service begins and bcome mature. 

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It may be with both TriRail and Sunrail connecting service at each end that there could be a bigger demand because of the last mile metric ?

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Posted by ROBERT WILLISON on Tuesday, February 14, 2017 9:33 AM

Ya never  know, like you said it's all speculation. But I suspect the dynamic will change some.

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