Hello all ;
Here's a 'speedy' video depting Lisbon's fabled route 28. It runs several times the normal speed, but it's possible to se the roller coaster profile of it and the passages thru some 'urban gorges'. This film was recorded some time ago when a section of the line was closed for road rebulding , therefore cars would only go as a far as Graça, and then returning back to Baixa (downtown area). It's maybe to speedy, but one gets the idea o how difficult and 'exciting' the route is. Hope you lik it
Thanks for posting. Enjjoyed it. I rode the line and several others in Lisbon in the 1980s, and the scene was just like you show it.
I understand that about ten or twelve years ago, CARRES, the local surface transit operator, bought air-conditioned articulated modern cars for the line, but not low-floor. I understand that the "Remodelaros" still handle all the other routes, the modern cars are used only on 28. Part of the transit system is an elevator. The modern subway system is or was operated by a different authority. The CARRES bus network is immense.
Par t of Lisbon is above a nearly vertical cliff, a cliff right in the middel of a very built-up area. There used to be a tram line that reached the sort of mineature Eifel Tower sort of elevator tower, with one or two cage(s) and shaft(s), and could get off a "remodelo" at the base, show one's paper transfer to the elevator operator, ride non stop vertically to the top of the cliff, and show the transfer a second time to another remodelo tram, and continue one's journey.
daveklepper Thanks for posting. Enjjoyed it. I rode the line and several others in Lisbon in the 1980s, and the scene was just like you show it. I understand that about ten or twelve years ago, CARRES, the local surface transit operator, bought air-conditioned articulated modern cars for the line, but not low-floor. I understand that the "Remodelaros" still handle all the other routes, the modern cars are used only on 28. Part of the transit system is an elevator. The modern subway system is or was operated by a different authority. The CARRES bus network is immense.
Hello Davelekeeper ;
The so called 'articulados', or articulated cars are only used on route 15, wich is the only one straight enough for it. As far as the other lines - 12, 18, 25 & 28 - are concerned, only the 'classic' 'Remodelados' (Remodelled) cars are used, 28 being worthy of note due the 'enormous' frequency of operation (regular plus numerous extra cars) need to carry the big tourist crowds (some days ago I counted 122 people just on Martim Moniz terminal, and each car carries only 20 seated plus 38 standing passengers). Besides these, there are 2 tourist routes, plus one brand new 'short' route just opened (yesterday). On the 2 older routes, in the 'Red' line, modified remodelled cars (painted red, better interior furnishings) are used, on the other two routes ('green') vintage cars dating from the late 1930s are used
daveklepper Par t of Lisbon is above a nearly vertical cliff, a cliff right in the middel of a very built-up area. There used to be a tram line that reached the sort of mineature Eifel Tower sort of elevator tower, with one or two cage(s) and shaft(s), and could get off a "remodelo" at the base, show one's paper transfer to the elevator operator, ride non stop vertically to the top of the cliff, and show the transfer a second time to another remodelo tram, and continue one's journey.
Actually there are 3 funicuar type elevators using 'inclined' trams . These ones are ; Bica, glória and Lavra. The real 'elevator' (vertical) is called Santa Justa, and indeed looks like some sort of Eiffel Tower because its planner was a Gustave eiffel pupil. As for the line ending almost next to the upper terminal of this elevator, everything - track and wires - ia in place, but it's been dormant for 20 years now (track no longer reaches the upper elevator exit, it has been removed recently, but long before, I belive mid 1980s, that segment of track was disconnected and replaced by the present loop passing thru the adjacent Largo do Carmo Terminal. However, there are plans to eactivate it, and the just opened 'Chiado Line' (se the post about this line that i'm going to insert) will most probably be going there next year. That's what's planned, and that reactivation will cost some 360.000 Euros (already budgeted)
The long straight sections of the video may have confused my memory. Or it is possible there have been rout number changes and splitting of routs since my long-ago visit.
Mario_v Hello all ; Here's a 'speedy' video depting Lisbon's fabled route 28. It runs several times the normal speed, but it's possible to se the roller coaster profile of it and the passages thru some 'urban gorges'. This film was recorded some time ago when a section of the line was closed for road rebulding , therefore cars would only go as a far as Graça, and then returning back to Baixa (downtown area). It's maybe to speedy, but one gets the idea o how difficult and 'exciting' the route is. Hope you lik it
Thx. Since it is on YouTube, you can press the asterisk-like button on the lower right settings) and change the speed from 'normal' to '0.25' and it will play closer to the actual speed of the tram.
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daveklepper The long straight sections of the video may have confused my memory. Or it is possible there have been rout number changes and splitting of routs since my long-ago visit. Indeed there were, and some closures to. As fort the closures, in the early 90s some routes where closed (directly with iut seeing any data right now, 16, 17, 20, 24, 26). Others closed but are due to reopen (that's the case of 24, that part of it opened last week as a tourist operation), and otheres chamged dramaticly (basically all the remaining lines are very different from the ones that you knew, with 12 now being a circle route, 18 operating between Cais do Sodré and Ajuda, 25 operating between Prazeres and Rua da alfândega, and the 'famous' 28, that runs between Prazeres and Martim Moniz). Off course, with tourism booming, trolleys became an icon of the city, and some circuits were openned just for tourists, notably the 'Red' line, wich basically merges togherter routes 25 and 28 without going to Estrela, 'green' route 1, that circles the castle hill, and the all new 'green' route 2, the one that just opened between Camões and Principe Real
Indeed there were, and some closures to. As fort the closures, in the early 90s some routes where closed (directly with iut seeing any data right now, 16, 17, 20, 24, 26). Others closed but are due to reopen (that's the case of 24, that part of it opened last week as a tourist operation), and otheres chamged dramaticly (basically all the remaining lines are very different from the ones that you knew, with 12 now being a circle route, 18 operating between Cais do Sodré and Ajuda, 25 operating between Prazeres and Rua da alfândega, and the 'famous' 28, that runs between Prazeres and Martim Moniz). Off course, with tourism booming, trolleys became an icon of the city, and some circuits were openned just for tourists, notably the 'Red' line, wich basically merges togherter routes 25 and 28 without going to Estrela, 'green' route 1, that circles the castle hill, and the all new 'green' route 2, the one that just opened between Camões and Principe Real
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