Correct, except that west of Journal Square they were technically PRR trains, not H&M. The Newark - Hudson Terminal line was a "Joint Service" line with identacle cars 50 owned by PRR and 50 owned by H&M, with the property line at the west end of the Journal Square yard. Crews ran through and belonged to the Brotherhoods. And the H&M was legally a railroad.
John WR All PRR trains stopped at Manhattan Transfer as long as steam engines ran.
But some, or even most, all non-rush-hour, Jersey City trains did stop to allow transfer to Penn Station trains and to the H&M-PRR joint-service trains. True, the transfer could also be made at the Exchange Place Jersey City PRR terminal, but some passengers may have wanted to go to Journal Square or via transfer there to Hoboaken or Pavionia. A few Bay Head Jc. Jersey Coast expresses probably did skip.
Anyone got a timetable showing a Jersey City PRR train that stopped at Manh Tfr?
You can check the Official Guide of the era or PRR timetables of the era.
And PRR did indeed look for company in Manhattan in that they talked with the DL&W I believe about sharing some costs but, I think it was the Davis era on the DL&W, and he and his board declined to spend the money.
Yes, Secaucus is like Manhattan Transfer of old by being built for the transfer to other trains. Being a true junction is also possible because you can change trains on the same platform from Morristown Line to Corridor and North Jersey Coast Line trains on the upper level while on the lower level you can change from the Main Line, the Bergen Cutt Off, Pascack Valley, and Sportsline trains. But neither the upper nor lower level can meet. It appears to be working well. There are elevators and escalators and stairs to and from all levels. It is not confusing if you follow the color assignments of lines and the train boards not just on the mezzanine but also in hallways and on platforms. Our Ridewithmehenry trips have used it to change trains from all the lines to the others in all directions.directions with no problems. Some waits allow some fun train watching on both levels. As a fan, it is fun. As a rider it is most convenient and can be time saving; or you can use the layover to grab breakfast or lunch.
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timzSteam trains from Jersey City didn't need to stop [at Manh Tfr].
What about weekends?
When there wasn't a traffic jam.
Aegrotatio,
I have not forgotten the Susquenanna Transfer. But I have to confess that is only because I never heard of it in the first place. It was before my time in New Jersey.
But back when I lived in Bergen County I recall reading about how the New York Susquehanna and Western Railroad labored mightily to get rid of its passenger service and how. to the detriment of people living along the line, it finally succeeded. I have also seen some talk of restoring it to connect with New Jersey Transit's Main Line at Hawthorn but nothing has ever happened.
John
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