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<p>[quote user="JRPett"]</p> <p> <blockquote> <div><img src="/TRCCS/Themes/trc/images/icon-quote.gif" /> <strong>Bucyrus:</strong></div> <div></div> <p> <blockquote> <div style="clear:both;"></div> <p><span style="font-family:verdana,geneva;"><span style="font-size:small;">Yes I agree there should be no discussion of politics and that means no discussion of Amtrak, HSR, or any other form of nationalized passenger rail. These topics do not belong on a forum about trains. </span></span> </p> </blockquote> </p> <div style="clear:both;"></div> <p> </p> </blockquote> </p> <p> </p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:Arial;color:black;font-size:10pt;">Why should there be </span><span style="font-family:Verdana;"><span style="color:black;font-size:10pt;mso-bidi-font-family:Arial;">no discussion of Amtrak, HSR, or any other form of nationalized passenger rail? Politics mean politics. Words mean things. These were all just from one topic: </span></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:Verdana;"><span style="color:black;font-size:10pt;mso-bidi-font-family:Arial;"> </span></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:Verdana;"><span style="color:black;font-size:10pt;mso-bidi-font-family:Arial;">"Given the political climate in Wisconsin and Walker's attitude toward the "great unwashed", I would suggest the the last person to leave Wisconsin turn the lights out." </span></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:Verdana;"><span style="color:black;font-size:10pt;mso-bidi-font-family:Arial;"> </span></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:Verdana;"><span style="color:black;font-size:10pt;mso-bidi-font-family:Arial;"></span><span style="font-family:Arial;color:black;font-size:10pt;"></span></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:Verdana;"><span style="color:black;font-size:10pt;mso-bidi-font-family:Arial;">and </span></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:Verdana;"><span style="color:black;font-size:10pt;mso-bidi-font-family:Arial;"></span><span style="font-family:Arial;color:black;font-size:10pt;"></span></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:Verdana;"><span style="color:black;font-size:10pt;mso-bidi-font-family:Arial;"> </span></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:Verdana;"><span style="color:black;font-size:10pt;mso-bidi-font-family:Arial;">"</span><span style="color:blue;font-size:10pt;mso-bidi-font-family:Arial;">From the prank call Walker unknowingly participated in....he comes off sounding like a toy for the ultra-right ultra wealthy....not much of a original thinker at all." </span></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:Verdana;"><span style="color:blue;font-size:10pt;mso-bidi-font-family:Arial;"> </span></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:Verdana;"><span style="color:blue;font-size:10pt;mso-bidi-font-family:Arial;"></span><span style="color:black;font-size:10pt;mso-bidi-font-family:Arial;"></span></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black;font-size:10pt;mso-bidi-font-family:Arial;"><span style="font-family:Verdana;">and</span></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black;font-size:10pt;mso-bidi-font-family:Arial;"><span style="font-family:Verdana;"> </span></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black;font-size:10pt;mso-bidi-font-family:Arial;"><span style="font-family:Verdana;">"Walker may well be toast after all this." - this statement was made immediately after the preceeding quote, so it appears to me to be more than just "rail" related.</span></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black;font-size:10pt;mso-bidi-font-family:Arial;"><span style="font-family:Verdana;"> </span></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black;font-size:10pt;mso-bidi-font-family:Arial;"><span style="font-family:Verdana;">and</span></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black;font-size:10pt;mso-bidi-font-family:Arial;"><span style="font-family:Verdana;"> </span></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black;font-size:10pt;mso-bidi-font-family:Arial;"><span style="font-family:Verdana;">"</span></span><span style="font-family:Verdana;"><span style="color:black;font-size:10pt;mso-bidi-font-family:Arial;">Walker</span><span style="color:black;font-size:10pt;mso-bidi-font-family:Arial;"> March 1: 43% approve ; 54% disapprove </span></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black;font-size:10pt;mso-bidi-font-family:Arial;"><span style="font-family:Verdana;">Scott March 29: 32% approve; 52% disapprove</span></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black;font-size:10pt;mso-bidi-font-family:Arial;"><span style="font-family:Verdana;">Kasich March 23: 30% approve; 46% disapprove</span></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black;font-size:10pt;mso-bidi-font-family:Arial;"><span style="font-family:Verdana;">Looks like the people in those three states have strongly turned against the policies of the governors they elected just five months ago."</span></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black;font-size:10pt;mso-bidi-font-family:Arial;"><span style="font-family:Verdana;"> </span></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black;font-size:10pt;mso-bidi-font-family:Arial;"><span style="font-family:Verdana;"></span></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black;font-size:10pt;mso-bidi-font-family:Arial;"><span style="font-family:Verdana;">and</span></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black;font-size:10pt;mso-bidi-font-family:Arial;"><span style="font-family:Verdana;"> </span></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black;font-size:10pt;mso-bidi-font-family:Arial;"><span style="font-family:Verdana;"></span></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black;font-size:10pt;mso-bidi-font-family:Arial;"><span style="font-family:Verdana;">"Leadership is not always popular. To bad there are not more people like these guys."</span></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black;font-size:10pt;mso-bidi-font-family:Arial;"><span style="font-family:Verdana;"></span></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black;font-size:10pt;mso-bidi-font-family:Arial;"><span style="font-family:Verdana;">followed up with:</span></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:Verdana;"><span style="color:black;font-size:10pt;mso-bidi-font-family:Arial;">"</span><span style="color:maroon;font-size:10pt;mso-bidi-font-family:Arial;">Let me know if you still feel that way in ten years."</span></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:Verdana;"><span style="color:maroon;font-size:10pt;mso-bidi-font-family:Arial;"> </span></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:Verdana;"><span style="color:maroon;font-size:10pt;mso-bidi-font-family:Arial;"></span><span style="color:black;font-size:10pt;mso-bidi-font-family:Arial;"></span></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black;font-size:10pt;mso-bidi-font-family:Arial;"><span style="font-family:Verdana;">I guess that I must not be a master of the obvious. What do the preceeding statements have to do with Amtrak, HSR, or any other form of nationalized passenger rail? They are political opinions and statements. Pure and simple. And that's what gets threads locked.</span></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black;font-size:10pt;mso-bidi-font-family:Arial;"><span style="font-family:Verdana;"></span></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black;font-size:10pt;mso-bidi-font-family:Arial;"><span style="font-family:Verdana;">--John in WI</span></span></p> <p> </p> <div style="clear:both;"></div> <p>[/quote]</p> <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt;"><span style="color: black; mso-bidi-font-size: 10.0pt;"><span style="font-family: verdana,geneva;"><o:p><span style="font-size: small;"></span></o:p></span></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt;"><span style="font-family: verdana,geneva;"><span style="color: black; mso-bidi-font-size: 10.0pt;"><span style="font-size: small;">John, </span></span></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt;"><span style="font-family: verdana,geneva;"><span style="color: black; mso-bidi-font-size: 10.0pt;"><span style="font-size: small;"></span></span></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt;"><span style="font-size: small;"><span style="font-family: verdana,geneva;"><span style="font-size: small;"><span style="color: black; mso-bidi-font-size: 10.0pt;">You ask, “What do the preceding statements have to do with Amtrak, HSR, or any other form of nationalized passenger rail?”<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>I would say that all of the statements you cite have a lot to do with HSR.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>They are all </span>expressions of disdain for someone who refused to fund it.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span></span></span></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt;"><span style="font-size: small;"><span style="font-family: verdana,geneva;"><span style="font-size: small;"> <o:p></o:p></span></span></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt;"><span style="font-size: small;"><span style="font-family: verdana,geneva;"><span style="font-size: small;">My main point was in reacting to the comments made by poster <span style="text-decoration: underline;">Hamltnblue.</span> <span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>While he objects to any political discussion, I don’t think he sees discussion of public rail as being political.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>Granted, it doesn’t have to be political if it is limited to discussion about hardware, routes, etc.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>But it is indeed political if it is about needs, future expansion, and funding, which it most often is.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>In fact HSR in particular is so political, that I do not regard it as being about trains.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>It is the “Chevy Volt” of rail transportation.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>It is not about serving a public need.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>It is about a public obligation to save the planet.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span></span></span></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt;"><span style="font-size: small;"><span style="font-family: verdana,geneva;"><span style="font-size: small;"> <o:p></o:p></span></span></span></p> <p><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'; font-size: 12pt; mso-fareast-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-ansi-language: EN-US; mso-fareast-language: EN-US; mso-bidi-language: AR-SA;"><span style="font-family: verdana,geneva;"><span style="font-size: small;">As I mentioned in a post on the previous page, it is easier for public passenger rail proponents to see no politics in their advocacy while complaining that those with the opposite view are violating the rules of the forum.</span></span><span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"><span style="font-family: verdana,geneva;"><span style="font-size: small;"> </span></span> </span></span></p>
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