While I believe the original poster was talking about paint, I got curious today what's left with Norfolk Southern and CSX that were received from Conrail at the split after heavy attrition lately.
I believe this list below is reasonably accurate. I've based it off NSDash9.com and BullSheet.com, but I may have slipped slightly here and there. Number following the model is the amount distributed at the split, with survival status in parentheses.
B23-7 117 examples (Retired)
B23-7R 11 examples (Retired)
B36-7 55 examples (Retired)
B40-8 30 examples (Retired)
C30-7A 50 examples (Retired)
C32-8 10 examples (Retired)
C36-7 25 examples (Retired)
C39-8 22 examples (Retired)
C40-8 25 examples (Retired at CSX; 5 rebuilt at NS to Dash 8.5-40CW with all stored)
C40-8W 236 examples (All retired at CSX; 137 at NS with 2 currently active)
C40-8W 40 examples? (LMS leasors: 7 survivors at CSX; 16 survivors at NS)
E8A 3 examples (Retired)
GP15-1 100 examples (Retired)
GP38 135 examples (Retired at CSX; 29 rebuilt to GP38-2's and 1 rebuilt to BP4 at NS)
GP38-2 235 examples (76 GP38-2's and 22 GP38-3 rebuilds at CSX; 102 at NS
GP40-2 124 examples (43 GP40-2's and 3 GP40-3 rebuilds at CSX; 71 at NS)
SD38 35 examples (Retired)
SD40-2 205 examples (50 SD40-2's and 28 rebuilt to SD40-3's at CSX, the latter includes 12 former NS/CR SD40-2 cores; 94 SD40-2's and 11 rebuilt SD33ECO's at NS)
SD45-2 11 examples (Retired at CSX; 6 at NS)
SD50 135 examples (1 rebuilt to SD50-3 at CSX; 46 rebuilt to SD40E's at NS)
SD60 28 examples (Retired)
SD60I 80 examples (1 at CSX; 25 at NS)
SD60M 75 examples (10 at CSX; Retired at NS)
SD70 24 examples (All to NS/Stored)
SD70MAC 15 examples (All to CSX)
SD80MAC 30 examples (Retired at CSX; All 29 survivors now at NS)
SW1001 21 examples (Retired at CSX; 5 at NS)
SW1500 76 examples (All retired in original form at NS/CSX; 2 rebuilt to RP14BD gensets at NS and now stored)
MT4 4 examples (Retired)
MT6 29 examples (9 at CSX; 16 at NS)
I've ignored post-split slug conversions of former CR locomotives, but have tried to include locomotives rebuilt to another locomotive model.
Of approximately 621 former Conrail or LMS GE-built locomotives that went to Norfolk Southern or CSX at the end of Conrail, only 165 remain. 158 of those are at Norfolk Southern with all but two in listed in storage (5 have been rebuilt to a new model). 7 survivors are at CSX with unknown storage status. Survival rate of 26%.
Of the approximately 1,332 EMD-built examples, 694 remain in various forms including one rebuilt as an experimental battery powered switcher. Survival rate is 52%. 12 of the CSX SD40-3's are rebuilt ex-NS SD40-2's (Originally rebuilt by CR from SD40's) that were received in trade for the CSX fleet of 12 SD80MAC's.
Of the 33 slugs slated to be distributed at the split, 25 remain active with survivors at both CSX and NS. Survival rate is 76%.
Survival rate of Conrail's ~1,953 locomotives that were split between NS/CSX and which remain rostered by those companies is approximately 44%. Honorary mention goes to CSX GP40WH-2 #9969, the only locomotive that left Conrail before the split that is rostered today at either CSX or NS (A former NYC/PC/CR GP40).
BRC has some GP38-2's in the 580 series that are ex-Conrail by way of NS.
There is a former Conrail/NS GE C39-8 on the New Hope and Ivyland in New Hope, PA. It's still in Conrail blue with logos painted out and an NS road number, 8212. I uploaded a photo here:
https://pix.sfly.com/fsrVFZ
I agree it should be painted in New Haven colors and paint-scheme. I also think it would be great to see it wired for 600V DC operation to use the trolley overhead at Union. Would not require much to do this if the motors are in good condition. They are DC.
Paul3 ... this is the last chance for any NH A.C. electrics to be preserved in NH paint. There are simply no other unrestored A.C. motors that aren't razor blades. And considering the NH's importance in pioneering A.C. overhead traction in 1907 (and their 152 electrified route miles and 673 electified track miles), that's a darn shame.
I still think someone needs to go to South America, bring back whatever remains of one of the V8 electrics, and kitbash it into one of the NYNH&H streamlined locomotives that were the apogee (with all respect, but sorry, PRR) of the 2-C-C-2 family.
Paint is only temporary. So even if wasn't painted as a New Haven unit, it could always end up that way down the road (Or vice versa and be repainted someday to represent its Conrail days).
The central NY chapter of the NRHS has done something similar with their GG1. When I first saw it, I believe it was wearing the solid stripe dark green scheme. Then it wore the famous 5 stripe scheme in red.
And now by virtue of being a survivor of the handful of units that wore Amtrak colors, it's in their colors. But there's no reason to believe that this rather disliked but interesting paintscheme is now how it will always be represented just because they made that change a few years ago.
A few years from now when this paint job has reached the end of its life, perhaps Penn Central black could be next up, a return to one of those earlier PRR schemes, or a return to the paintscheme it wore at the start of its career into the 1950's.
Nothing wrong for a long lived locomotive to represent different portions of its career in preservation when it's practical. It's still part of the story that it has to tell even if it's perceived by some to not represent the glory days of the unit.
In case anyone is wondering, it is important to NH fans that this EF-4 (E33 to the heathens) be painted back into NH colors instead of Conrail or anything else.
Of the NH's 189 A.C. motors, just two still exist: both are EF-4's. One has already been restored to her original appearance in Virginian colors and is in the Virginia Museum of Transportation in Roanoke, VA. The other, ex-NH #300, has sat at the Rail Museum of New England for a couple decades in rusting CR paint. Unfortunately, the RMNE has de-emphasized equipment preservation in order to concentrate on running a tourist/freight railroad. They traded it to the IRM for, IIRC, some traction motors and now the motor is being painted at Juniata Shops.
IOW, this is the last chance for any NH A.C. electrics to be preserved in NH paint. There are simply no other unrestored A.C. motors that aren't razor blades. And considering the NH's importance in pioneering A.C. overhead traction in 1907 (and their 152 electrified route miles and 673 electified track miles), that's a darn shame. So is means that this one EF-4, #300, must represent the NH's 60+ years under wire. While I'm disappointed it's 1000 miles away from ex-NH trackage, at least it will be restored in NH orange paint (so I've heard).
For CR motor fans, there's plenty of GG-1's around.
As for the subject matter at hand, while I don't know of any non-SAA CR units around, I do know where there are a pair of ex-CR B23-7's working every day. They are in Quincy, MA working for Fore River Transportation. #101 is ex-1992, and #102 is the ex-1980, the famous "Keep It Moving With Conrail" unit. They also have GP38 #7750, ex-CR 7694, which used to be the Juniata Shop switcher.
No clue when, I was down there on 9/25/16. It's been a month
Buslist NareBNSF I saw one in the Juniata shops all rusted down and stuff. The Juniata shops are in Altoona, if you are wondering. if you're talking about the E33 out there, it's going to IRM in the as reported by me in the NH scheme.
NareBNSF I saw one in the Juniata shops all rusted down and stuff. The Juniata shops are in Altoona, if you are wondering.
I saw one in the Juniata shops all rusted down and stuff. The Juniata shops are in Altoona, if you are wondering.
if you're talking about the E33 out there, it's going to IRM in the as reported by me in the NH scheme.
I was just going by this, minus 20 to reflect this sale.
http://railroadfan.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?p=347854#p347854
I haven't noticed any rebuilds in the additions to each monthly update in 2016 so far, but perhaps I missed something.
Edit: Did miss a few rebuild updates it seems. 150 SD40-3's according to the July update and 275 SD40-2's, factoring in the most recent retirements to the 295 total provided in August, according to this source.
Leo_Ames CSX has retired and sold SD40-2 #8865, the last locomotive in original Conrail paint on either Norfolk Southern or CSX, to NRE. 19 other SD40-2's are joining it by the way, including the last locomotive on the roster in YN1 paint. CSX plans to downsize this class, which would seem to leave in doubt their -3 rebuild program (Which I don't think has outshopped one locomotive this year so far). Should leave ~319 SD40-2's and ~103 SD40-3's.
CSX has retired and sold SD40-2 #8865, the last locomotive in original Conrail paint on either Norfolk Southern or CSX, to NRE.
19 other SD40-2's are joining it by the way, including the last locomotive on the roster in YN1 paint. CSX plans to downsize this class, which would seem to leave in doubt their -3 rebuild program (Which I don't think has outshopped one locomotive this year so far).
Should leave ~319 SD40-2's and ~103 SD40-3's.
You're way off on your numbers. There are roughly 260-270 SD40-2's left and 159 SD40-3's. And there were indeed quite a few SD40-3's outshopped during the first half of the year. There are still plenty of SD40-2's that will be candidates for the DASH 3 rebuild program if they choose to continue on with it.
Bryan Jones
good report thanks
In original Conrail paint, anywhere?
The list is likely several dozen units long, although most of those running will have recieved modifications to the paint with the Conrail name and logo removed. And those not running which remain in original colors with logo and Conrail names intact are most likely rusting hulks waiting to be scrapped. Here's a roundup from a few years ago.
On the two Class 1's that absorbed Conrail, CSX still has one locomotive in original Conrail paint, although it has been sitting for quite a while pending rebuilding to Dash 3 standards and repainting. Honorary mention goes to Norfolk Southern's heritage unit, which of course isn't an original Conrail locomotive. No other Conrail painted locomotives remain on CSX & NS.
If you just mean Conrail power in general, many units that lasted until the end remain with CSX & NS. Of the power that made it to the last day, I believe that only the Dash 7's, MT-4's, executive E8's, early Dash 8's, SD38's, and the B40-8's are gone entirely from the roster of CSX and NS (The B40-8's just went this summer/fall).
And at least on NS, other than a few frame donors for rebuilding projects, all SW1500's and GP15-1's are now gone and live on with new owners. And I think CSX eliminated all of their ex-Reading SW1001's as well. And of course the CSX SD80MAC's went in trade to NS, for former CR SD40-2's.
And the C40-8's have just recently started to go with part of the NS group retired (Although several have been rebuilt as Dash 8.5's) and the CSX fleet just strickened a few weeks ago. And CSX just retired some C40-8W's, although I don't know if those are slated for their new rebuilding program or if they're even former CR units.
But of what has left the roster of CSX and NS, many have lived on. Been very few EMD scrappings other than for wrecked power and even many of the Dash 7's live on, albeit usually overseas.
In the past 18 years since Conrail disappeared, perhaps 200 Conrail units out of the 1910 locomotives and yard slugs that made it to the last day have been cut up entirely. And those were mostly GE's with limited resale value.
Even the SD45-2's that made it to the end all survive on CSX and NS, I believe (With those scrapped actually being 2 units that Conrail sold before the last day to the Reading & Northern). They just now have 16 cylinder engines on CSX and half of the NS fleet.
Conrail maintained their power to high standards, thanks in large part to Altoona. So the fleet has served CSX and NS well over the best part of the past two decades and significant numbers will remain active for decades to come.
Hello, do any of you know the amount of remaining conrail locomotives. I know the rest of the NS and CSX units are gone, but are their any others?
Thanks,
Chris
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