NS acquiring 100 of UP's EMD SD9043MAC locomotives

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Posted by GDRMCo on Sunday, October 12, 2014 7:53 AM
They wouldn't be going into service if the fix wasn't done, EMD is performing the fix on the units NS bought before sending them out.

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Posted by pedrop on Tuesday, October 28, 2014 8:09 AM
I photographed some S9043 in Idaho in 2011. My friend there sent recent pics of them running with 36xx road number series. How many last in UP fleet? Is it possible to have a list of the renumbered ones?
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Posted by M636C on Thursday, October 30, 2014 6:56 AM

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I photographed some S9043 in Idaho in 2011. My friend there sent recent pics of them running with 36xx road number series. How many last in UP fleet? Is it possible to have a list of the renumbered ones?

 
UP purchased 310 SD9043MAC locomotives numbered from 8000 to 8309.
 
These were renumbered from 3470 upward to 3730 generally in order but not completely. So if only renumbered units remained in service, UP had 261 units of which 100 were sold to NS leaving them with 161 units.
 
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Posted by CSSHEGEWISCH on Thursday, October 30, 2014 8:33 AM

The SD9043MAC's are starting to turn up in service on NS.  I saw a few this morning at 43rd Street on an EB freight waiting for my train to clear.  They were still in UP colors but renumbered and relettered for NS.

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Posted by pedrop on Thursday, October 30, 2014 12:37 PM

Thanks M636C

 

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Posted by beaulieu on Friday, October 31, 2014 1:15 AM

M636C
 
UP purchased 310 SD9043MAC locomotives numbered from 8000 to 8309.

 
Close, UP had 309 SD9043MAC locomotives numbered 8000 to 8308. 8309 is the first SD70ACe.
 

 

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Posted by M636C on Friday, October 31, 2014 7:59 AM

beaulieu

 

 
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UP purchased 310 SD9043MAC locomotives numbered from 8000 to 8309.

 

 
Close, UP had 309 SD9043MAC locomotives numbered 8000 to 8308. 8309 is the first SD70ACe.
 

I always have trouble counting locomotives with the first one ending in zero...

But have all those not renumbered by UP been taken out of service?

It appears that the oldest units went to NS....

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Posted by jeffhergert on Friday, October 31, 2014 10:59 AM

The few I've seen in, or returned to, service are renumbered ones.  The original 8000 series numbers are now used for GEs.

Just about all were removed from service.  The engine shortage put a few back in service.  Missouri Valley, Iowa still has a bunch in storage.  I've been told that some of the ones sold came out of there.  Although the dead line is smaller than it was, I don't know if that was true.  Those remaining are a mix of original and renumbered units.

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Posted by CPM500 on Sunday, November 2, 2014 12:06 PM

FYI

In order to support locomotives with Siemens equipment, one must deal with Siemens Industry here in the States. EMD plays no role in this process-especially given that Siemens has become a full-fledged competitor.

The arrangment EMD had with Siemens was similar to that which Alco had engaged in with GE back in the day.

Siemens has their own field service force, parts depot and so on. At his late date, if software upgrades are required, they would also be sourced from Siemens. In the past, software issues were dealt with in Germany. Indeed, some of the technical docs for Siemens equipment is in German.

I wouldn't bet against Siemens bidding on any future upgrades to the locos that NS may have in mind.

 

 

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Posted by Leo_Ames on Wednesday, November 5, 2014 9:24 PM

Did the SD80MAC aquisition fall through? Don't see those units listed at the NS Dash-9 roster, despite it quickly reflecting other recent purchases (Not to mention this).

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Posted by NorthWest on Wednesday, November 5, 2014 9:40 PM

Some have been patched, and have entered service with NS.

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Posted by Leo_Ames on Wednesday, November 5, 2014 10:05 PM

Despite the topic, a bit of discussion about other NS purchases of late model locomotives has slipped in here. I was asking about SD80MAC's, not SD90MAC's. Union Pacific never owned a SD80MAC. What you linked to is a SD90MAC convertible with a 4,300 HP, 16 cylinder 710. 

All 30 SD80MAC's were bought by Conrail and inherited by CSX and Norfolk Southern. The reports several weeks ago were that NS was acquiring the dozen survivors on CSX (One was scrapped recently after wreck damage).

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Posted by NorthWest on Wednesday, November 5, 2014 10:21 PM

Yes, understood. I misread your post. Must not post while tired...

Anyway, there have been no reports that the SD80MACs are moving to NS. As of a few days ago, the CSX units were still in service doing their normal duties.

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Posted by Leo_Ames on Wednesday, November 5, 2014 10:23 PM

Not really your fault, considering what the topic is. :)

I messaged NSDash9, hopefully he'll provide an update. With how quickly these other transactions seemed to move, I wonder if something fell through at the last moment before the deal was signed. 

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Posted by GDRMCo on Thursday, November 6, 2014 2:24 AM
SD80MACs are heading to NS early next year I believe, pretty sure Chris knows more tho...

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Posted by Overmod on Thursday, November 6, 2014 3:09 AM

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SD80MACs are heading to NS early next year I believe ...

Isn't this NS assuming a lease January 1st?

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Posted by YoHo1975 on Friday, November 7, 2014 12:46 AM
The issue with Siemens makes the 90MACs an oddball on the UP since they have no 70MACs prior to the ACes. At the same time, I see 9043s regularly moving through Roseville. One of the contract shops doing the frame fix is in Fresno. They are also occasionally in service. Not in the numbers seen 2 years ago, but in service.
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Posted by NorthWest on Thursday, December 4, 2014 7:53 AM

Update on the SD80MACs: It appears that NS is trading 23 SD40-2s for the 12 CSX SD80MACs. They are ex-CR rebuilds from SD40s.

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Posted by Leo_Ames on Thursday, December 4, 2014 2:14 PM

Thanks

Always interesting to see Class 1's engaged in horse trading. Too bad that one of the fleet didn't survive to this point though so that Norfolk Southern would own all 30.

These SD40-2's must be in solid shape to be traded at this ratio (Less than two Dash 2's for every 80MAC). I'm not sure of what has happened mechanically, but NS has taken care of their exteriors so if they're in as good of shape mechanically, I doubt they will need much more than repainting (Which likely explains, to an outsider at least, the apparent disparity in numbers here). 

Nice to see SD40-2's holding and even increasing in value, after several years where they were a glut on the market back towards the end of the last decade. 

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Posted by Leo_Ames on Monday, December 22, 2014 3:03 AM

Not to derail the thread (Although we are using it as a bit of a catch-all for all things related to NS motive power), but Altoona is working on a project of a different sort that most of us should find appealing. 

Courtesy of NSDash9...

"NS 3170, the first Southern Railway EMD SD40, is being donated by NS and will be preserved at a museum. Repair work on the 3170 is currently underway at Altoona to replace its blown engine and get it back to running condition again. It had been in storage since it was retired back in 2007. NS will also repaint the unit back into the Southern Railway tuxedo scheme"

Supposedly, N&W's first SD40 is also set aside with similar plans in mind.

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Posted by NorthWest on Monday, December 22, 2014 12:07 PM

Since the thread drifted to this back at about page three... I think that we can use this thread as a sort of modern power exchange thread.

Unsubstantiated rumors (repeated several places) regarding displaced FEC locomotives:

Starting in January

-CITX SD70M-2s 140-142 are going to CSX on lease.

-FEC SD70M-2s 100-107 are going to NS on lease.

-An unspecified quantity of surplus SD40-2s are going on lease to CSX.

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Posted by D.Carleton on Monday, December 22, 2014 12:16 PM

Leo_Ames

Not to derail the thread (Although we are using it as a bit of a catch-all for all things related to NS motive power), but Altoona is working on a project of a different sort that most of us should find appealing. 

Courtesy of NSDash9...

"NS 3170, the first Southern Railway EMD SD40, is being donated by NS and will be preserved at a museum. Repair work on the 3170 is currently underway at Altoona to replace its blown engine and get it back to running condition again. It had been in storage since it was retired back in 2007. NS will also repaint the unit back into the Southern Railway tuxedo scheme"

Supposedly, N&W's first SD40 is also set aside with similar plans in mind.

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Posted by Leo_Ames on Monday, December 22, 2014 9:17 PM

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FEC SD70M-2s 100-107 are going to CSX on lease.

Two different leasors at play here, as I recall. Fortress Investments and CITX, I believe (Although I've seen claims to the contrary, these seem to be the two that most often are cited as the owners of these). So the fleet might end up going to at least two different places.

A rumor at Railroad.net suggests that they're going to Maine (Presumably, the rumor mill is talking about the four supposedly owned by Fortress, which were delivered in RailAmerica paint instead of the Alaskan Railroad colors of the first four). But from the bits and pieces I've seen, their operation up there doesn't seem to enjoy the type of business at present to make productive use of such an asset.

So your NS rumor holds much more merit in my opinion. They or Canadian National seem the obvious homes for these. Not only are they the sole operators of M-2's outside of FEC, but both have been making regular visits to the used marketplace recently.

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Posted by NorthWest on Friday, December 26, 2014 10:57 AM

Though this is out of place, I don't want to revive an older thread.

What happened to the 13 BHP SD70ACes that were supposed to be shipped out of Port Hedland?

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Posted by GDRMCo on Friday, December 26, 2014 9:37 PM
The SD40s and AC6000s were scrapped, not sure what the go is with the SD70ACes.

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Posted by Speaking clock on Saturday, December 27, 2014 10:44 AM

Wherever the heck these engine's go, I'd like to make a point of NS turning into the next ATSF in terms of rebuilds. They sure had a lot of engines slotted for rebuilds in the 2012 locomotive issue. Since then, six axle 4,000 horsepower-8's have been added, along with "re-rating" the C40-9's  to the GE standard 4,000.

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Posted by M636C on Saturday, December 27, 2014 4:43 PM

GDRMCo
The SD40s and AC6000s were scrapped, not sure what the go is with the SD70ACes.

 
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It was said that 4309 was one of two of the original SD70ACe units still operating, the others being stored. There are two more orders of SD70ACe/LCi units, one on the way, so the original units might go back on one of those ships... or one of the ships bringing the Roy Hill units...
 
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Posted by NorthWest on Sunday, December 28, 2014 1:53 PM

Thanks for the update on the Australian units. It will be interesting to see where they go.

It appears that the CITX SD70M-2s have already moved to CSX.

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Posted by Speaking clock on Monday, December 29, 2014 2:10 PM

NorthWest

It appears that the CITX SD70M-2s have already moved to CSX.

 

If these are the FEC units, I'm pleasantly surprised. 

CSX, from what I find in Cincinnat, is largely GE. I still see some EMD action, just not as much as GE action. These engines are earlier models, according to someone on the thread about FEC acquiring ES44C4's.

Are these units being leased or purchased? I have heard some stories of CSX getting used engines, but normally through mergers, like ex seaboard GP16's.

It seems strange for a road that just started getting into GE ( 600 AC4400CW's , 99 AC6000CW's according to "Rail Power" by Steve Barry and 65 ES44AC's from Trains magazine's 2012 Locomotive special) would get some slightly used EMD's.

Unless, my post of garbaGE's has come true.

Or CSX is thinking like Rex Kramer from the movie "AIRPLANE!"...

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Posted by NorthWest on Monday, December 29, 2014 7:47 PM

Yes, they are the FEC ones. CSX hasn't bought EMDs since the SD70ACes they purchased-20 early production units. It does seem very strange, but reports from reliable sources point to this happening. They are leased.

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