What would you think if you found out that NS was going to paint some new ES44ACs in heritage paint schemes? What would you think if you found out there were to be 27 of them, all different?
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oltmannd What would you think if you found out that NS was going to paint some new ES44ACs in heritage paint schemes? What would you think if you found out there were to be 27 of them, all different?
I heard 18.
Have to love rumors.
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18 or 27, it doesn't matter. Either way it is great. NS needs a little color - the more the better!
zugmann oltmannd: What would you think if you found out that NS was going to paint some new ES44ACs in heritage paint schemes? What would you think if you found out there were to be 27 of them, all different? I heard 18. Have to love rumors.
oltmannd: What would you think if you found out that NS was going to paint some new ES44ACs in heritage paint schemes? What would you think if you found out there were to be 27 of them, all different?
Saw schemes for 18 of them. Other 9 on list. Looking like more than a rumor at this point. It's to commemorate the 30th anniversary of the NW-SOU merger...Although nothing's a sure bet until the paint's dry.
Kind of explains the SOU Green GP59 getting painted black recently.
I can remember 23 of them for sure. I'm probably whiffing on some obvious ones...Will get the others on Friday...
1. Sou (green)
2. NW
3. Wabash (Bluebird)
4. NKP
5. P&WV
6.CR (not "Quality" - with white sill stripe)
7. PC
8. NYC (black lightening stripes)
9. PRR (5 strip with keystone in circle)
10. PRSL
11. L&HR
12. Erie (two tone green)
13. Lackawanna
14. EL
15. CNJ
16. LV (Cornell Red)
17. Virginian (like the Trainmasters)
18. orig Norfolk Southern
19. TAG
20. S&A (Sou black scheme)
21. Central of Georgia (Passenger scheme)
22. Reading ("Bee Line")
23. New Haven (McGinnis)
24. AC&Y??
25.
26.
27.
I would add N&W passenger colors (tuscan red with gold lettering) and the NKP Bluebird colors (the freight power was black with lots of yellow striping).
Turns out the list I was looking at got pared to 18 and bit and spread to EMD's as well. Check out today's RR news...
Not too sure why New Haven made the list (other than they were part of PC). NS doesn't turn a wheel on any ex-NH rail. CNJ would have been a better choice.
NKP scheme shown was black and yellow.
How about PC, though? Really dull and well hated in it's day. Is there any PC anything preserved as such anywhere?
Well does this count as one? I'm not sure since I didn't take the picture, but you can see the PC logo on the GG1.
The 4610 was painted black with the OLS scheme. Not sure what that has to do with NS heritage? I would like to see NS do this though, I think it would be cool to see a modern engine wearing the CofG (my territory), like anything else I believe it when I see it.
NS forgot to include the Illinois Terminal (ITC) in it's proposed heritage fleet that was acquired by N&W in 1981.
Even though a local shortline called Respondek recently painted a GP10 in ITC-inspired colors.
http://www.railpictures.net/viewphoto.php?id=388471&nseq=12
I can not figure out how you got CNJ since that trackage is under the Conrail Shared Assets. If NS does a CNJ unit then CSX has do paint up a CNJ scheme as well.
The Penn Central scheme will be black with white graphics, just like NS, unless they chose Jade Green for the body color.
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Andrew Falconer I can not figure out how you got CNJ since that trackage is under the Conrail Shared Assets. If NS does a CNJ unit then CSX has do paint up a CNJ scheme as well.
Same would go for NYC, no? CSX got the lion's share of ex-NYC trackage.
Doubtful CSX will do anything like this. None of their top guys are "men who love trains"...
Andrew Falconer The Penn Central scheme will be black with white graphics, just like NS, unless they chose Jade Green for the body color.
It'll be black with white logo. It would be cool if they'd do the red and white PC, though.
And, thankfully, the CR unit will be the pre-Quality scheme.
How do you guys know what color what units will be painted? Where are you reading this?
I just know...
Of course, the paint's not dry yet, so things could change.
oltmannd "I just know... Of course, the paint's not dry yet, so things could change..."
"I just know...
Of course, the paint's not dry yet, so things could change..."
There seems to be a modicum of confusion on the number of "Heritage Engines" to be fielded by NS. [Please refer to the 2nd paragraph of the following article]
According to TRAINSNewswire of 02/17/2012:
We shall see.
I wonder what not definite yet for New Haven means?
Unsure if they have the necessary rights (Or perhaps working to secure permission from MTA, which I would assume would own the necessary copyrights and trademarks if anyone does), or perhaps they're still debating which paint scheme to select to represent the New Haven (The other notations in parentheses were paint scheme selections)?
I hope they go with their earlier green with gold trim paintscheme (Did it have a name?). I'm not certain if this paintscheme has been seen since the last New Haven locomotive wearing it was scrapped or repainted (Perhaps that DL109 that hung around for several years as a stationary power plant until Penn Central scrapped it was the last?), where as the McGinnis scheme has been well used with just a relatively short period where it disappeared before being resurrected in the 80's.
What ever happened to that nutcase that trademarked the PRR's Keystone logo and copyrighted Pennsylvania Railroad back in the mid 1990's (Despite both apparantly still belonging with the corporate remains of the Penn Central) to try to get money from model manufacturers and such?
If NS were to paint a locomotive in the South Carolina Canal and Railroad colors. Yes I am talking about the Best Friend of Charleston. Which Southern paint style are they going to do? Th F & E units style or like 1401 & 4501.
Appears to be like green E's with Crescent logo
This is a great idea and I had no idea they had so many branches on the family tree. Lots of fallen flags under their umbrella.
Now I hope BNSF does heritage units and I can see my beloved Frisco rolling once again.
18 special historic schemes + 17 regular NS schemes = 35 total locomotives
Andrew
How much is this costing NS?
A lot.
Glad I don't have to pay! (I'd guess it'll be several hundred thousand to do the lot of them)
oltmannd Glad I don't have to pay! (I'd guess it'll be several hundred thousand to do the lot of them)
But they are new locomotives that have to be painted.
The significant cost is the difference in cost between the standard NS black and white and the heritage scheme. This might be up to tens of thousands of dollars, but is offset by the publicity gained by the heritage schemes.
M636C
M636C oltmannd: Glad I don't have to pay! (I'd guess it'll be several hundred thousand to do the lot of them) But they are new locomotives that have to be painted. The significant cost is the difference in cost between the standard NS black and white and the heritage scheme. This might be up to tens of thousands of dollars, but is offset by the publicity gained by the heritage schemes. M636C
oltmannd: Glad I don't have to pay! (I'd guess it'll be several hundred thousand to do the lot of them)
You bet! NS seems to want as much public support and good publicity as it can manage in order to get the Crescent Corridor funded.
EMD and GE used to give you 3 colors for "free". More were extra - a few thousand each, I think. Doing a multitude of schemes is going to be even more as painting and styling diagrams have to be done for each, plus cutting stencils and doing the masking and having to change colors after each locomotive.
According to the news, some are going to get painted in Juniata and Chattanooga by NS.
And it Starts!
How about this for a teaser?
Norfolk Southern's 30th Anniversary is coming up in June 2012
(linked: a total of seven photographs of Heritage Painted Engines!)
http://www.nscorp.com/nscportal/nscorp/Community/NS_Store_Calendar_Photos/30th_anniversary/#&panel1-3
GP30's... cool! But I thought they were going to be GEVOs.
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