F40PH vs Genesis

[edbenton]

Alot of the Frames were also warped and starting to rust.  Also remember this when they retired the F40 the lowest mileage one had 2.4 Million miles on it.  You can only rebuild traction motors so many times before they do become unreliable also the Prime Movers the 645's were SHOT you run 2.4 million or more miles at full throttle max HP and also have start and stop then acclearate a train fast.  Face it they are fuel hogs and were worn out.  I know of one time were the Southwest Chief left Alberquere with 4 F40's on the point to climb Raton pass normally it took 2 they had to call the Santa Fe for an engine to help them 3 of the 4 failed on the pass.  Why worn out and all of them exploded the Prime Mover.

[Ham549]

I have asked Amtrak workers and I get F40PH (although they do say the cab on the Genesis is more comfortable.) Also a 2 stroke engine has more advantages to a 4 stroke. The fuel tank is a easy fix as CSX has proven. The notch 8 part is true but the F40 can cut out cylinders also updating it with a 2ed engine or an alternator in the nose would work to fix this. 

[Lord Atmo]

well, you know what Jay Leno once said

"Amtrak gets more air than jetblue!"

[cprted]

It seems that many people share the view that the F40PH was not only better then the Genesis but the Genesis just plane sucks.

I didn't know they could fly!!!! Surely Amtrak has no excuse for late arrivals now.

[GP40-2]

It seems that many people share the view that the F40PH was not only better then the Genesis but the Genesis just plane sucks...

Who are the "many people"? Railfans who have never worked a day in the industry? Just asked the typical Amtrak engineer what they would prefer to operate and spend a workday in, and you will get a vastly different response.

[edbenton]

Lets see here F40 required the engine to run in Notch 8 to provide HEP to the train only has 3000 hp when not providing HEP 2200 when in HEP and only has 1800 gallons of fuel.  Genesis series HEP is in notch 5 saving fuel 4000HP in the first ones 4200 in the second set 3600HP when producing HEP carries 2400 gallons of fuel.  Ge also desigened to fit into the Hudson river tunnels and be capable of running on 3rd rail the P32ACDM to replace the FL-9.

[CSSHEGEWISCH]

Amtrak unloaded their F40PH's because they were old (at least 20 years old and up) and worn out.  Most of the remaining F40PH's are in suburban service, which is less demanding, and a fair number of those have been rebuilt.

[Ham549]

It seems that many people share the view that the F40PH was not only better then the Genesis but the Genesis just plane sucks. I have noticed that they tend to catch fire more often then not, there "seamless" design makes them a pain to work on they can't accelerate like a F40 could, and the list goes on and on. So why is it that the F40's are being scraped and tax payers $$$ being wasted on these POS?