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New (and almost clueless) member with a basic loco physics question

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Posted by mikado 4960 on Wednesday, January 30, 2019 12:26 AM
Believe electric motors are very tolerant of operating in an overload (high amperage draw) condition for extended periods. Even "identical" locos will have different diameter wheels due to ware or being machined yet they will function fine together. The harder working motor(s) runs a bit warmer but the forced air cooling keeps the heat under control. If I remember correctly in the day of F units there was an amp/hour meter on the dash. It told the engineer how long he could operate in an overload condition before damaging the motors.
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Posted by Samuel Johnston on Wednesday, January 30, 2019 10:08 AM

I gather you are wondering how the locos all pulled together or whether there was some loss as one loco "fought" another; I'll let others answer about how those locos are each controlled.  There was never any real steam MU control (probably some one tried to do it) so then each crew would try to co-ordinate so the locos didn't fight each other--much.  But it would be inevitable there would be losses of energy as output differed even temporarily from each unit for a host of reasons; we know this happened.  But trial-and-error showed early on that double-heading (and more) worked despite the waste of some power.  Same with compounding and its back-pressure "problem"; the Schmidt superheater got more bang for a lot less $$$ and compounding disappeared from the railroads.  Electric and later Diesel MU required fewer crews and as crews became more expensive that cost told.  

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Posted by DAVID GRIMM1 on Wednesday, January 30, 2019 12:41 PM

Just like in the rope scenario above, think of the four people pulling on the rope. They all have different strides, but they are all pulling at the same speed. Some are just taking more steps than the others.

Dave

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Posted by JAMES BACON on Thursday, January 31, 2019 2:05 PM

Multiple locomotives in a train simply add together their pulling power, whatever that might be. All locomotives may be exerting the same amount of force from each unit, or different amounts at any given time. That is why diesels (and steam) can utilize differing models and-or generations of locos in any given assemblage. In the diesel age, we refer to each loco as a "unit", and a group of units at the head end of the train is called a "lashup".  Rear end helpers are called pushers, and mid-train helpers are call "DPUs", for Distributed Power Units. They can be radio-controlled from the head end, or be controlled (rarely) by additional crew members on board those units. The effect of adding the various units' pulling power together eventually exceeds coupler strength, and that is the purpose of not putting all units on the head end of very long & heavy trains, especially where steep grades must be climbed. In North America, any grade over about 2% is considered steep.

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Posted by Deggesty on Thursday, January 31, 2019 4:48 PM

It has been my understanding that when power is distributed anywhere other than at the head end and all of the power is controlled by the engineer at the head end, all of the units, no matter where they are in the train, are described as "DPU"--and a helper is an engine with an engineer who operates that particular engine over a particular stretch of track.

Johnny

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