NS 4001

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NS 4001
Posted by Uncle_Bob on Wednesday, June 13, 2018 10:36 PM

Does anyone know whether NS plans to repair engine 4001, the blue nosed DC to AC conversion locomotive that they rolled last year?  Is there any word on when it might return to service and what paint it might wear?  Or, are they planning on retiring/scrapping it?  Just wondering.

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Posted by Leo_Ames on Thursday, June 14, 2018 7:29 AM

Per the NSDash9 roster page, still on the roster and currently being repaired at Altoona. As for the paint scheme, I imagine you'll just have to wait and see.

Units with heavy wreck damage sometimes sit for an extended period since they're preoccupied with routine work, more minor repairs, and various rebuilding programs. Units with major damage as a result usually have work performed on a low priority basis.

For a good example, back in April Norfolk Southern finally returned to service SD70M-2 #2702. She was damaged way back in September of 2013 when the intermodal train she was leading struck a tractor-trailer that was hauling concrete bridge beams.

So it took over four and a half years before the unit was returned to service (i.e., just over 1/3 of her life so far was spent stored in a deadline awaiting repairs). 

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Posted by oltmannd on Thursday, June 14, 2018 9:17 AM

I agree with "wait and see".  I would be somewhat pessimistic about the paint scheme.  The guy who championed it originally is on another job at NS these days.

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Posted by D.Carleton on Thursday, June 14, 2018 12:46 PM

Passed by Altoona on Saturday and she still looked like this: https://www.flickr.com/photos/lrmyers/40613079585/in/pool-altoonaworks/

As for paint, since she will be an Altoona rebuild that means black-bonnet with a blue stripe, right?

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Posted by zugmann on Thursday, June 14, 2018 2:33 PM

D.Carleton
As for paint, since she will be an Altoona rebuild that means black-bonnet with a blue stripe, right?

I'd bet on plain NS black, myself.

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Posted by Uncle_Bob on Friday, June 15, 2018 7:54 PM

Thanks for the update.  Sad to think 4000 is the only one in blue and gray, but at least it's still running.  Thanks all.

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Posted by Firelock76 on Saturday, June 16, 2018 9:09 AM

I just looked at that photo Mr. Carleton linked.

If that's all that's left of 4001 I'd be amazed if NS goes for a rebuild, it looks like it's been well and truly stripped and cannabalized for any usable components.

It strikes me that it would be like trying a classic car restoration when all that's left to work with is the chassis.

But hey, what do I know?

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Posted by NorthWest on Saturday, June 16, 2018 12:55 PM

Crash posts are still good. Thumbs Up

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Posted by VOLKER LANDWEHR on Saturday, June 16, 2018 1:29 PM

NorthWest
Crash posts are still good. Thumbs Up

No wonder, 4001 fell onto its right side: http://s3.amazonaws.com/rrpa_photos/122060/DSC01083A.jpg
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Posted by Leo_Ames on Saturday, June 16, 2018 3:35 PM

Firelock76

I just looked at that photo Mr. Carleton linked.

If that's all that's left of 4001 I'd be amazed if NS goes for a rebuild, it looks like it's been well and truly stripped and cannabalized for any usable components.

It strikes me that it would be like trying a classic car restoration when all that's left to work with is the chassis.

But hey, what do I know?

She's been stripped in preparation for rebuilding. 

Between her engine rebuild and her AC44C6M rebuild, she was stripped down even further I imagine not too long ago. At least her electrical cabinet survived intact.

If the FDL survived, perhaps the only real loss here of something retained in Norfolk Southern's Dash 9 to AC44C6M program, is her radiator system?

I bet NS even has a suitable long hood on hand in Altoona that can be repurposed for her. 

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Posted by D.Carleton on Saturday, June 16, 2018 8:39 PM

zugmann
D.Carleton
As for paint, since she will be an Altoona rebuild that means black-bonnet with a blue stripe, right?

I'd bet on plain NS black, myself.

More than likely, but given my druthers: https://www.walthers.com/media/catalog/product/cache/1/image/800x261/9df78eab33525d08d6e5fb8d27136e95/f/a/famous_image_collector_series_diesel_ge_es44ac_standard_dc_85-49766.gif

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Posted by Firelock76 on Saturday, June 16, 2018 9:04 PM

Interesting Mr. Carleton, very interesting indeed.

But they've done an "Erie," and they've done a "Lackawanna."

How's about something really cool and unusual like this...

http://www.railpictures.net/photo/202448/

Just for grins.

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Posted by Miningman on Saturday, June 16, 2018 9:30 PM

Firelock-- Well thanks for that but don't get your hopes up. 

The railfan community would be doing backflips and talk about a cult status locomotive. 

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Posted by kgbw49 on Saturday, June 16, 2018 10:42 PM

Well, if you’re going to do a blue bonnet, then dangnabbit do a blue bonnet!

http://www.northeast.railfan.net/images/tr_dh18.jpg

NS does own a big chunk of the former D&H after all!

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Posted by Firelock76 on Sunday, June 17, 2018 10:01 AM

Way cool, kgb!  That D&H scheme on the PA has to be one of the best diesel paint jobs, ever!

Now, suppose the NS turns the guys in the sheet metal shop loose and have them re-do 4001 into something like this...

https://www.american-rails.com/green-diamond.html

No-one would fail to notice something like that!

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Posted by zugmann on Sunday, June 17, 2018 11:33 AM

Firelock76
No-one would fail to notice something like that!

I'd have to shop it for hurting my eyes.

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Posted by D.Carleton on Sunday, June 17, 2018 12:04 PM

Firelock76

Interesting Mr. Carleton, very interesting indeed.

But they've done an "Erie," and they've done a "Lackawanna."

How's about something really cool and unusual like this...

http://www.railpictures.net/photo/202448/

Just for grins.

They've also done PRR, NYC and PC. Penn Central lasted eight years, half as long as the EL and is best left forgotten. I completely understand why PC was a last minute addition to the heritage list but if they could include that then EL certainly deserved it all the more so. The 1700 was a nice consolation prize.

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Posted by SD70Dude on Sunday, June 17, 2018 12:18 PM

Did we ever find out if the PC SD70ACe is painted black or Brunswick green?

That "D&H-bonnet" scheme would look great on a GE!

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Posted by D.Carleton on Sunday, June 17, 2018 12:48 PM

SD70Dude

That "D&H-bonnet" scheme would look great on a GE!

It most certainly would but the current owners of the D&H may have issue with its use.

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Posted by SD70Dude on Sunday, June 17, 2018 1:07 PM

D.Carleton
SD70Dude

That "D&H-bonnet" scheme would look great on a GE!

It most certainly would but the current owners of the D&H may have issue with its use.

Well then they should do one!  Those pseudo-heritage GP38's are starting to show their age, time for round 2!

And there's plenty of room on the hood to fit a golden beaver beside the D&H shield, just to make it clear who owns the thing.

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Posted by Firelock76 on Sunday, June 17, 2018 4:17 PM

SD70Dude

Did we ever find out if the PC SD70ACe is painted black or Brunswick green?

That "D&H-bonnet" scheme would look great on a GE!

 

If it's supposed to be a PC locomotive it should be painted black.  Black was picked as a "neutral" color as it had no connection to the PRR (Brunswick Green or Tuscan Red) or the NYC  (Grey with "lightning stripes" or the "cigar band").

However, as a "Trains" writer once put it, "Penn Central was a marriage made in Hell, and the bride wore black!"

And I'm sure it was a helluva lot cheaper to order several thousand gallons of black Rustoleum (or whatever they used) than to come up with a new color scheme.

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Posted by D.Carleton on Sunday, June 17, 2018 10:51 PM

SD70Dude

Well then they should do one!  Those pseudo-heritage GP38's are starting to show their age, time for round 2!

And there's plenty of room on the hood to fit a golden beaver beside the D&H shield, just to make it clear who owns the thing.

CP is rebuilding their GE's too. Maybe they can be pursuaded to paint a freshly outshopped AC in Adirondack blue.

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Posted by CSSHEGEWISCH on Monday, June 18, 2018 7:05 AM

EL was probably not chosen for the NS heritage fleet because of its close resemblance to Lackawanna and there are already both Erie and Lackawanna heritage units.  On another note, D&H wouldn't happen because NS doesn't own any parts of D&H.

At any rate, NS 1700 is the real deal.  Its EL colors are the original colors worn by this locomotive.

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Posted by oltmannd on Monday, June 18, 2018 9:19 AM

CSSHEGEWISCH
On another note, D&H wouldn't happen because NS doesn't own any parts of D&H.

They do, as of a few years ago.  Binghamton to Schenectady.  Purchased from CP.

http://www.nscorp.com/content/dam/nscorp/news/Delaware-and-Hudson-rail-line.PDF

There was actually some internal discussion about a D&H heritage unit...  The "hedgehog" AC/DC unit special schemes kind of got in the way of that - and the folks that were interested in the heritage stuff aren't in a position to do anything about it these days.

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Posted by D.Carleton on Monday, June 18, 2018 11:06 AM

CSSHEGEWISCH

EL was probably not chosen for the NS heritage fleet because of its close resemblance to Lackawanna and there are already both Erie and Lackawanna heritage units. 

Well, there always is this option: http://www.rrpicturearchives.net/showPicture.aspx?id=1448683 but it wouldn't be my first choice. It would also blend in very well with the rest of the NS fleet as does the PC unit.

Ironically the PC paint was chosen along the same mindset as to why EL paint was not. Strange business we're in.

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Posted by Leo_Ames on Tuesday, June 19, 2018 10:39 PM

I don't see it as so strange. Penn Central is an important chapter of what's now part of Norfolk Southern's legacy. Makes sense that it was represented. 

That Erie Lackawanna was ignored I imagine entirely has to do with a limited budget and wanting as much variety as they could have. The paint scheme was already largely represented with the Lackawanna unit, where as a PC unit was cheap to do and looks significantly different than Norfolk Southern's regular fleet of black locomotives. 

Regardless, it was rectified in the end with a true heritage unit later on when one of the handful of original EL locomotives on the NS roster came due for repainting. I doubt we'd of seen an original EL locomotive repainted into its original colors had one of these modern GE's or EMD's been repainted as such.

So for all the Erie Lackawanna fans like myself that were annoyed back then, it worked out for the best. 

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Posted by CSSHEGEWISCH on Wednesday, June 20, 2018 6:42 AM

Unfortunately, NS 1700 is assigned to Conrail Shared Assets, so those of us who live on EL's west end won't get to see it.

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