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cn sd70m making a funny noise at idle
Posted by rambo1 on Friday, March 20, 2015 10:17 AM

I know they all make noises at idle but this one started to sound like a warning noise like a car alarm beeping then the engine started to idle higher like it saw ready to start moving but it didn't. What is that rambo1...

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Posted by BaltACD on Friday, March 20, 2015 1:27 PM

What was the exterior temperature at the time?

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Posted by rambo1 on Friday, March 20, 2015 5:59 PM

about 5 c

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Posted by BaltACD on Friday, March 20, 2015 7:35 PM

It could have been a low temperature alarm, where the computer detected the coolant temperature had fallen below the minimum and the computer advanced the throttle to increase heat transfer from the operating engine to the cooling system and thus raise the temperature of the coolant above the minimum.  When the proper coolant temperature is reached, the engine's throttle will return to idle.

My company has instructions for locomotives that are not equipped with 'Automatic Start/Stop' units, that when low temperatures are forecast, and the locomotives left running should be left in the 3rd notch to prevent the coolant temperature from dropping too low.  The coolant temperature also affects the oil temperature of the engine and lower oil temperatures generally make the viscosity of the oil higher and it may become too viscous to adequately lubricate the engine since locomotive lube oil is much more viscous than the 10-30 we are familiar with in automotive applications.

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Posted by traisessive1 on Monday, March 23, 2015 2:19 PM

The only thing I can think of is that is the buzzer warning people around the unit that it is about to start. 

There are no other warning beeps or such that I can think of on our SD70M-2's.

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Posted by Wizlish on Wednesday, March 25, 2015 6:11 AM

I heard something very much like this on Norfolk Southern the other day.  Unit (in trail) was idling on a  siding, and would slow down, seeming to 'stumble' a bit, and the beeping or warbling tones would start.  After a few seconds the engine would go to higher idle (and smooth out) for a period of about a minute.

I was thinking engine temperature, too, with the system (whatever it turns out to be) just going to a fixed higher idle rather than adjusting idle speed to temperature.  I suspect it's a "backup" system of some kind.

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Posted by zugmann on Wednesday, March 25, 2015 10:36 AM

Auto start/stop.  Sometimes the engine itself cancels the process of shuttng down, or a crew member can do it manually. 

  

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Posted by traisessive1 on Friday, March 27, 2015 3:56 PM

I don't know what you guys are hearing because I can tell you with 100% certainty that the locomotives do not give any warning what so ever when they go into high idle to warm up the engine. 

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Posted by zugmann on Saturday, March 28, 2015 12:37 PM

No but if they are going into autostop mode they do.  And if smeone on the cab wanted to cnacel the stop, he coudl either toss the reverser or advance the throttle. 

 

 

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I don't know what you guys are hearing because I can tell you with 100% certainty that the locomotives do not give any warning what so ever when they go into high idle to warm up the engine. 

 

  

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Posted by Wizlish on Sunday, March 29, 2015 3:17 PM

zugmann
No but if they are going into autostop mode they do. And if smeone on the cab wanted to cnacel the stop, he coudl either toss the reverser or advance the throttle.

This would make sense for the situation I saw -- the train was waiting at the south end of a siding, on the main, for a signal to clear.  Makes sense that the crew would keep cancelling a fuel-saving shutdown.  I was thinking in terms of automatic response to a situation,  not a manual response to an undesired automatic one!

If this adds anything: the alarm went off as the engine went to high idle, so I concluded the alarm was for some condition that going to high idle 'cured', not a warning that the engine was going to be accelerated.

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Posted by The Railwolf on Monday, March 30, 2015 5:17 PM

Sounds like a crew member punching the AESS reset button to prevent the engine from automatically shutting down. It's a fuel saving measure. The AESS (Automatic Engine Start/Stop) computer will shut down the engine if it's been idling with no throttle/reverser input for a specified period of time. A beeper will go off first, to give the crew the opportunity to punch the reset button (on the back wall of the cab) to delay engine shutdown again. Reminds me of the Windows PC automatic updates, where you have to click the button to keep your computer from automatically shutting down to install updates. :P

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