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Average Service Times
Posted by cefinkjr on Monday, November 7, 2011 12:49 AM

What was the average time required to service a steam locomotive?  My impression from everything I've read is that it took 6 to 8 hours to turn a steam locomotive, assuming that no time-consuming repairs were required.

While we're at it, what about the average time required to service a Diesel locomotive?  My impression here is 2 to 4 hours, again assuming no time-consuming repairs are needed.

And finally, what about heavy electrics?  I would think their service times would be similar to Diesel but that's a wild guess.

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Posted by tpatrick on Thursday, November 10, 2011 8:25 PM

I can't tell you the average time to turn a steamer, but I can say Norfolk and Western could do it in under two hours. In their Y, A and J classes they had modern power designed to be easy to maintain. They also had an assembly line-like "lubritorium" which was most efficient. A freight locomotive would be cut off its train at a terminal, have its fire cleaned and the engine washed. Then it went to the lubritorium  for inspection, lubrication and light repairs. Within two hours it would be outbound from the terminal with its train in tow.

My source for this information is  Col. Lewis Jeffries' book "N&W Giant of Steam." I highly recommend the book for anyone interested in modern steam power.

 

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Posted by Firelock76 on Friday, November 11, 2011 6:42 PM

If any of you folks would care to see N&W's  "lubritorium" in action check for a Barnes and Noble bookstore in your area.  In the DVD/CD department they're selling a two disc DVD set called  "Railroads- Tracks Across America".  Price is about $6.95.  It's a collection of railroad promotional films from the '30s through the '50s, and there's a N&W film on it called "The Modern Coal Burning Steam Locomotive".  Film to video transfer is pretty good, considering the films themselves really weren't meant to last all that long.  36 films in all on the two disc set, you won't be disappointed.   Borders and Books-A-Million were stocking it as well.

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Posted by Firelock76 on Saturday, November 19, 2011 5:24 PM

A post-script to my last post concerning "Railroads-Tracks Across America".  Target sells it too.

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Posted by Thomas 9011 on Saturday, November 19, 2011 7:59 PM

cefinkjr

What was the average time required to service a steam locomotive?  My impression from everything I've read is that it took 6 to 8 hours to turn a steam locomotive, assuming that no time-consuming repairs were required.

While we're at it, what about the average time required to service a Diesel locomotive?  My impression here is 2 to 4 hours, again assuming no time-consuming repairs are needed.

And finally, what about heavy electrics?  I would think their service times would be similar to Diesel but that's a wild guess.

 

Servicing a steam locomotive would normally average around two hours....

Coal and water-30 minutes

Fill sand boxes(if needed)-15 minutes

Lube main rods/refill oil canisters for moving parts-40 minutes

Inspect brakes/check gauges/headlight/whistle/and other inspection-20 minutes

Sweep cab/clean headlight number board and gauges-15 minutes

If a locomotive needed a good cleaning and power washing that could take another 2 hours

 

Diesel locomotives

Refueling-10-15 minutes is typical

Add sand to sandboxes-15 minutes

Clean cab/windows/re-supply fridge with water,etc-15 minutes

Inspection and testing of brakes/sand/horn/headlight/etc-10 minutes

Adding water or adding engine oil-5 minutes

If the sand is full,the cab is clean with a stocked fridge,and the fuel tank is half full, you can service a locomotive in as little as 15 minutes.

 

Never worked with electric locomotives but they are probably similar to the same time it takes to service a diesel locomotive.

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Posted by MidlandMike on Saturday, December 10, 2011 11:24 AM

I was thinking it would take less time to service an electric than a diesel since they would not have to load fuel, but then I remembered that a generation ago (loco hauled) passenger cars were heated with steam.  At that time electrics would need fuel and water for the steam heating boiler.  Passenger diesels also would need heating water.  I don't know if the had separate fuel tanks for the steam heating boiler since diesel fuel is like #2 heating oil.

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Posted by cefinkjr on Saturday, December 10, 2011 4:57 PM

MidlandMike

I was thinking it would take less time to service an electric than a diesel since they would not have to load fuel, but then I remembered that a generation ago (loco hauled) passenger cars were heated with steam.  At that time electrics would need fuel and water for the steam heating boiler.  Passenger diesels also would need heating water.  I don't know if the had separate fuel tanks for the steam heating boiler since diesel fuel is like #2 heating oil.

That was my thinking too except that refueling an electric for its steam heating boiler shouldn't take nearly as long as refueling a Diesel, simply because it wouldn't take as much fuel oil.  Of course, we're assuming that electrics had fuel-oil fired boilers for steam heating, but they could have had electrically heated boilers but I've never read anything on it either way.

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Posted by MidlandMike on Saturday, December 10, 2011 6:44 PM

cefinkjr

 

 MidlandMike:

 

I was thinking it would take less time to service an electric than a diesel since they would not have to load fuel, but then I remembered that a generation ago (loco hauled) passenger cars were heated with steam.  At that time electrics would need fuel and water for the steam heating boiler.  Passenger diesels also would need heating water.  I don't know if the had separate fuel tanks for the steam heating boiler since diesel fuel is like #2 heating oil.

 

 

That was my thinking too except that refueling an electric for its steam heating boiler shouldn't take nearly as long as refueling a Diesel, simply because it wouldn't take as much fuel oil.  Of course, we're assuming that electrics had fuel-oil fired boilers for steam heating, but they could have had electrically heated boilers but I've never read anything on it either way.

According to Middleton in When the Steam Railroads Electrified p.427, "Oil fired boilers normally are installed in passenger (electric) locomotives to supply steam for train heating."  Although the book shows some exceptions.  Early BAP passenger cars had wires on the roof for heating and lighting.  Later on when the passenger accommodation was a combine at the end of a long ore train, pictures show instead a stove pipe at each end of the car.  Of course MU cars on commuter lines had electric heat.

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Posted by CSSHEGEWISCH on Monday, December 12, 2011 10:07 AM

Electric heat was not always the norm on MU cars.  I regularly rode on South Shore's MU cars from the Insull era and they depended on a stove at one end of the car for heat.

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