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HOW OLD IS CSX
Posted by wisandsouthernkid on Sunday, April 13, 2008 8:50 PM
CSX DOESNT STRIKE ME AS THE AGE OF HAVING STEAM BUT I THINK THAT IT IS MADE UP OF OTHER ROADS BUT I AM NOT SURE WHICH ONES I KNOW FORE SURE IT IS THE CHESSIE SYSTEM AND OTHERS BUT WHEN DID THE CHESSIE SYSTEM START??
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Posted by YoHo1975 on Monday, April 14, 2008 11:02 AM

CSX is made up of two systems that were themselves conglomerations (well, with the conrail split up 3, but we'll ignore that.)  The Chessie System and the Seaboard System. Both were owned by CSX prior to the name change.

Chessie was primarily made up of the Chesapeake and Ohio, the Baltimore and Ohio and the Western Maryland. I believe they also took over the Virginian Railroad.

The Seaboard system consists of the Atlantic Coast line, the Seaboard Air Line (was there a 3rd?) along with the family lines of which I can only remember the Louisville and Nashville.

 

I'm sure someone more well versed in these things can fill in the gaps.  

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Posted by J. Edgar on Monday, April 14, 2008 12:20 PM
 YoHo1975 wrote:

CSX is made up of two systems that were themselves conglomerations (well, with the conrail split up 3, but we'll ignore that.)  The Chessie System and the Seaboard System. Both were owned by CSX prior to the name change.

Chessie was primarily made up of the Chesapeake and Ohio, the Baltimore and Ohio and the Western Maryland. I believe they also took over the Virginian Railroad.

The Seaboard system consists of the Atlantic Coast line, the Seaboard Air Line (was there a 3rd?) along with the family lines of which I can only remember the Louisville and Nashville.

 

I'm sure someone more well versed in these things can fill in the gaps.  

Clinchfield was part of the Family Lines as was A&WP i think...??

i have an "offical CSX Corp." service lane map dated 1982 that used to hang in the former Chessie(C&O/PM) depot in Howell MI...even though it says "CSX Corp" with the crossed and slanted C and S making the "X" the Chessie lines and the Family Lines are different colors and "common" terminals are marked as such "Shared terminals"...also the Richmond Fredricksburg & Potomic is listed on the map seperately...this lines was a wholly owned subsidary of the C&O....i think...but it become part of CSX..... the actual date of the 2 two lines Chessie lines and Seaboard lines merger was around 1984...i think

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Posted by DMUinCT on Monday, April 14, 2008 1:50 PM

 The Virginian went to Norfolk and Western.

The CSX background can go all the way back to the start of steam railroads, with the Baltimore & Ohio in the 1820s.

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Posted by J. Edgar on Monday, April 14, 2008 4:53 PM

this old ....lol......Howell Mi 1992ish

 

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Posted by al-in-chgo on Saturday, April 19, 2008 10:09 PM

 Rail-Roadwarrior wrote:
From what I've read and been told from the guys who worked for the railroads that became CSX, it was formed in 1980. It was called CSX Corp. and I think at the time it was a holding company.The SCL,L&N, The Georgia Railroad, The Clinchfield Railroad, The Atlantic and Western and The Western Railway of Alabama(the latter two were nicknamed the West Point Route) comprised The Family Lines System. The Family Lines was not an actual railroad, but a marketing slogan, and all railroads invloved retained their corporate idinities. The Seaboard System was formed in the later part of 1982. A few years later in 1986 The Seaboard System was merged with The Chessie System to become CSXT.

That sounds about right to me.  - a.s.

 

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Posted by JayPotter on Sunday, April 20, 2008 2:40 PM
I'd recommend doing a Trains.com search for "CSX merger family tree".
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Posted by BaltACD on Tuesday, April 22, 2008 2:56 PM
The official 'creation' date for CSX is November 1, 1980.  From that time until the middle 80's the Seaboard System and the Chessie System basically operated independent of each other with several coordination projects.  Beginning in the middle 80's the push was made to have CSX operate as a fully integrated railroad operating under a single Operations Managment.

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Posted by Andrew Falconer on Tuesday, April 22, 2008 7:28 PM

The railroad CSX Transportation was formed in 1987 by a series of mergers. They did not occur all at once.

In 1986-87 CSX Transporation locos and cars had C&O, B&O, SBD reporting marks and numbers.

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Posted by al-in-chgo on Tuesday, April 22, 2008 8:28 PM
 Andrew Falconer wrote:

The railroad CSX Transportation was formed in 1987 by a series of mergers. They did not occur all at once.

In 1986-87 CSX Transporation locos and cars had C&O, B&O, SBD reporting marks and numbers.

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I don't know if I'll ever understand the transition from L&N/Clinchfield into "Family Lines" and then "Seaboard System."

One thing I do know is that CSX should never have gotten rid of Chessie.  So much fondness for an icon is rare and they just turned their back on it to look corporately cool or something. Bad show!  - a.s.

 

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Posted by J. Edgar on Tuesday, April 22, 2008 9:04 PM

 i think CSX Corp. and what we know as CSX Trans. are\were 2 different things...CSX Corporation was formed when the Holding Companies that owned the "Family Lines" and the Chessie System Railroad merged in 1980....the railroad holdings werent merged until 1987 under CSX Transportation....C&O\B&O is easy...they merged....the "Family Lines" were railroads under common ownership of Seaboard Coastlines Industries but more or less retained their independence but shared routing and billing and a paint scheme and such.....atleast thats the way i understand it....critiques welcome and expected...Big Smile [:D]

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Posted by J. Edgar on Thursday, April 24, 2008 9:02 AM

well i found my old CSX Corp map from 1980....this is the Corprate logothat thankfully never made it to the side of their engines...the map is wall size so this is all ya get ...lol

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Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, April 24, 2008 9:11 PM
 J. Edgar wrote:

well i found my old CSX Corp map from 1980....this is the Corprate logothat thankfully never made it to the side of their engines...the map is wall size so this is all ya get ...lol

I've got one of those folded away somewhere.

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Posted by J. Edgar on Friday, April 25, 2008 12:12 AM
 Rail-Roadwarrior wrote:

I've got one of those folded away somewhere.

this one hung in the then open operators office in the now removed Howell Mi depot...the OP that worked there in 1982 gave it to me when they closed the doors...

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Posted by Awesome! on Sunday, April 27, 2008 9:52 PM
 J. Edgar wrote:
 Rail-Roadwarrior wrote:

I've got one of those folded away somewhere.

this one hung in the then open operators office in the now removed Howell Mi depot...the OP that worked there in 1982 gave it to me when they closed the doors...

i use one of them folded to level my table. Whistling [:-^]

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Posted by wjstix on Wednesday, May 7, 2008 12:25 PM
I remember when the CSX merger took place that whoever was president of it then said that CSX was never going to be a railroad name; "You'll never see a locomotive with "CSX" on it". O well.
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Posted by Lyon_Wonder on Wednesday, May 7, 2008 10:10 PM
 Rail-Roadwarrior wrote:
 J. Edgar wrote:

well i found my old CSX Corp map from 1980....this is the Corprate logothat thankfully never made it to the side of their engines...the map is wall size so this is all ya get ...lol

I've got one of those folded away somewhere.

That logo looks a lot like Microsoft's Excel icon, though I wouldn't confuse a railroad with a spreadsheet:)

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Posted by YoHo1975 on Saturday, May 10, 2008 1:50 AM
 Lyon_Wonder wrote:
 Rail-Roadwarrior wrote:
 J. Edgar wrote:

well i found my old CSX Corp map from 1980....this is the Corprate logothat thankfully never made it to the side of their engines...the map is wall size so this is all ya get ...lol

I've got one of those folded away somewhere.

That logo looks a lot like Microsoft's Excel icon, though I wouldn't confuse a railroad with a spreadsheet:)

 

Why not, the executives the railroads often do.

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Posted by MLG4812 on Saturday, May 10, 2008 8:57 AM

What's a "CSX"?....Ohhhh......it's that future UP acquisition thingy.

 

 

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