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BNSF Sd70MAC's Departing BNSF?

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BNSF Sd70MAC's Departing BNSF?
Posted by ouengr on Saturday, December 22, 2007 6:25 PM
I have heard rumors recently that BNSF is preparing the return one set of SD70MAC to the lessor.  Can anyone provide any insite on this?  It seems a strange to me to retire units only around 12 years old but maybe I am missing something.
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Posted by Railway Man on Saturday, December 22, 2007 9:28 PM

Think of leasing a locomotive the same way you lease a house.  You move to a different city, you give up the lease -- the house isn't torn down, it's leased to someone else.  You have some kids, you lease a bigger house.  Your children move on, you lease a smaller house.  You leased the house when the economy was booming and had to pay through the nose.  Now the economy is soft and you can move to another house that will do just as well with a lower rent.  You offer your first landlord to stay, if he reduces the rent, but he doesn't, so off you go.

"Returning to lessor" by no means says that the locomotive will be scrapped.  A locomotive returned to lessor doesn't mean it is worn-out, deficient, or useless.  It often just means it is high cost -- and cost depends on the terms of the lease.  When the lease expires the lessor offers the locomotives to whomever is willing to pay the highest lease rate.  Often the lessor has another lessee willing to pay more.  Often the market is soft when the lease expires, and the lessor knows that to get a long-term lease from a railroad he will have to accept a low rate, so the lessor takes the locomotives back, holds them off the market or leases short term, and waits to see if the market gets tight again, so he can lease long-term at a high rate.

Right now carloadings are soft, so railroads don't need as many locomotives as they did a year ago.  Locomotives with high cost leases, that can be returned, will be returned.  It's just business.  It doesn't necessarily say anything positive or negative about the locomotive itself.

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Posted by beaulieu on Saturday, December 22, 2007 10:08 PM
I haven't heard anything about them returning some SD70MACs. They are moving some from Alliance to Glendive for maintenance, and more will be seen on Northern Corridor coal trains replacing SD60 and SD75Ms which will move into the general freight pool.
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Posted by Railway Man on Saturday, December 22, 2007 11:15 PM
Beaulieu, would you e-mail me please?  Interested to see if you'd like to review an article.
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Posted by Lyon_Wonder on Sunday, December 23, 2007 12:13 AM
I heard a rumor on the discussion forum at locophotos.com,  BNSF might remove Ex-BN SD70MACs that were delivered just prior to the merger from lease sometime around 2010. http://www.locophotos.com/Read.php?ThreadID=7541 Supposedly, the idea is to make BNSF a greener, more environmentally friendly railroad.   It would be better to remove older DC locos like Dash 8s and 60 series engines from lease first before they start messing with MACs, which would likely reappear on consists in the form of  HELM/HLCX/NREX engines.  Heck, BNSF still has 1970s-vintage SD40/45-2s on the roster, and I can’t see Dash-2 engines completely disappearing from the railroad anytime soon, especially the 4 axle GP38 types. 
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Posted by beaulieu on Sunday, December 23, 2007 7:09 PM

 Lyon_Wonder wrote:
I heard a rumor on the discussion forum at locophotos.com,  BNSF might remove Ex-BN SD70MACs that were delivered just prior to the merger from lease sometime around 2010. http://www.locophotos.com/Read.php?ThreadID=7541 Supposedly, the idea is to make BNSF a greener, more environmentally friendly railroad.   It would be better to remove older DC locos like Dash 8s and 60 series engines from lease first before they start messing with MACs, which would likely reappear on consists in the form of  HELM/HLCX/NREX engines.  Heck, BNSF still has 1970s-vintage SD40/45-2s on the roster, and I can’t see Dash-2 engines completely disappearing from the railroad anytime soon, especially the 4 axle GP38 types. 

It would be more likely to happen because BN agreed to terms that include either an expensive buyout or if the lessor has indicated that they want to reset lease rates significantly higher. Then I could see BNSF sending them back to the lessor.  

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