The GG! thread reminded me of a question I have had for years -- What is a quill drive and how does it work? Steam and diesel I understand - but I know nothing of electics (Even though I am an electrical engineer by training!)
What are the other types of electric locomotive drive? What advandages did each drive system have? I have seen pictures of box motors with side rods. What did side rods do for an electric.
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Side rods allowed one large motor to drive several drivers. The motor sat on the frame and connected to the drivers with rods. Some electrics have one or two motors per axle. The GG1 had two 385 HP motor per axle. These motors were geared directly to the axle.
nedthomas wrote:The GG1 had two 385 HP motor per axle. These motors were geared directly to the axle.
I'm not clear on quills myself, but I think it goes like this. The locomotive wheels are spoked, and six? seven? eight? of the spokes have some sort of cup on each side that receives the torque from the quill, which has 6 or 7 or 8 arms between the spokes of the wheel. The shaft of the quill is hollow and surrounds the axle, leaving enough room for the axle's up-and-down movement. The motors drive the gear on the quill and the quill drives the wheels.
ValorStorm wrote:I don't think there are any preserved Quills. Anyone know for sure?
GG1's used a geared quill drive, two traction motors were geared to each quill. A number of GG1's have been preserved.
Quill drives are like previous posters have said a hollow tube surrounding the axle, they are still used today on modern high-speed electric locomotives, and the German ICE 1 and 2 trainsets.
To see what a Quill Drive looks like see this webpage, and scroll down to the section on Quill drives
Railway-technical
a quill drive is a form of mechanical transmission that allows the driven shaft lateral movement seperate of the rotation....perfect example is a drillpress....the quill allows the chuck to move up and down while still spinning.....
these are the traction motors on a MILW EP-3 electric....the three humps are the motors which are geared thru a quill to the axles they surround
If GM "killed the electric car", what am I doing standing next to an EV-1, a half a block from the WSOR tracks?
Paul Milenkovic wrote:The part that I am still not clear on is how the quill transmits torque to the axle -- the picture of the ADTranz unit helps, but I suppose there have to be some flexible bushings. I read in a railroad history book that the GG1 used spring-like spokes to connect the quill to the axle.
In older electrics they used coil springs connecting spokes on the quill shaft to either the spoked wheels or to flanges on the back side wheels. On newer electrics they replace the springs with resilient rubber bushings.
Many thanks to all who took the time to post excellent information. Looks to me like the quill drive was an elegant solution to the problem of mating an electric traction motor to drive axles when the motor (or motors) is too large for the between axle mounting commonly used on diesel-electics while preserving needed lateral motion capabilities. It is also a good way to reduce unsprung weight hence the modern usage.
Thanks again.
Did any diesel-electricss use the quill drive? I presume most early diesel-mechanicals used a conventional truck type drive shaft with planetary to the drive axle.
From The Milwaukee Electrics-
Gereral Electric named them the Bipolar gearless type, and the name stuck. It was a name used from coast to coast. The people who ran them used it, and so did the people who had no idea where they ran
These locomotives were called Bipolar, because each traction motor had only two poles. These field poles were mounted directly on the locomotive chasis beside each axel. They were gearless, because instead of using high-speed motors turning gears on axels, they had low-speed motors with the motor armatures mounted directly on the axels. These features made for a unique and silent locomotive. Since the motor speed was only 458 rpm at 60 mph, there was no traction motor whine, and since there were no gears, there was no gear tooth growl either.
The bipolars were gearless, but were they direct or quill drive?
I am thinking they were direct drive -- the motor was not sprung relative to the axles.
Paul Milenkovic wrote: The bipolars were gearless, but were they direct or quill drive?I am thinking they were direct drive -- the motor was not sprung relative to the axles.
The armature was built on the axle proper (no quill,) and was unsprung weight.
The two field poles (hence bipolar) were mounted on the locomotive frame, and were sprung weight. The sides facing the armatures were flat, since the axles were free to move vertically between them.
So the answer is, each bipolar traction motor was both sprung and unsprung. An elegant, but torque-limiting, solution.
Chuck
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