Alco PA Locomotives - Love 'em or Hate 'em?

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Posted by Flintlock76 on Sunday, March 10, 2019 9:33 PM

Not to worry, here's a quick tutorial on Q-ships, for those who've never heard of them.  A good sea-story.

www.navymuseum.co.nz/q-ships/  

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Posted by Miningman on Sunday, March 10, 2019 9:24 PM

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Posted by Overmod on Sunday, March 10, 2019 9:20 PM

Penny Trains
Hence the nick-name- "Q-Boats"

I remembered this:

https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=uc1.$b283111;view=1up;seq=7

I always called them "Q ships" but that gets rid of the pun.

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Posted by blue streak 1 on Sunday, March 10, 2019 8:43 PM

About the N&W J.  Imagine seeing both the SOU RR PA-4 and a J sitting side by side in Bristol,  Happened every evening and if #45 on time about 1730.A very good sight to see.

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Posted by Penny Trains on Sunday, March 10, 2019 8:04 PM

samfp1943
The General Electric BQ23-7 was produced during the time that the Railroad Cabooses were fading into history(1978/79). The 'Q" was meant to designate it as "Quarters"; a cab

Hence the nick-name- "Q-Boats".  Although I doubt the Germans had anything similar on their attack subs!  Wink

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Posted by CMStPnP on Sunday, March 10, 2019 7:51 PM

Alco PA's = looks like someone tried to sculpt an F7 but gave up halfway there.

Alco PA Engine sound = sounds like it needs a tune-up and is about to fall apart.

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Posted by samfp1943 on Sunday, March 10, 2019 5:58 PM

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BaltACD

When you talk about ugly - this comes to mind...Closely followed by... 

Shock Control asked: "Could you please share the names and manufacturers of those two?  I'm not familiar.  The bottom one looks like a Euro train."

GM&O 1900 was constructed by Ingalls Shipbuilding of Mobile, AL - their only attempt at building a locomotive.  I believe the GM&O did operate it for 20 or 30 years.

The SCL engine was built by GE as their BQ23-7.  This was an attempt to build a locomotive that could hold a full crew at the time cabooses were being eliminated but two man crew agreements had yet to be negotiated.

Early on: The GM&O's #1900 was a personal favorite of mine. It was operated at one point, between the GM&O shops at Jackson,Tn., and Corinth, Ms. 

AS Balt noted: (it was a product after WWII, of the Ingall's Shipbuilding of Pascagoula,Ms). They had envisioned it and it's siblings as a family of railroad engines.

They were to include, 1-S thru 4-S, the only one built was the 4-S.  As built, it utilized as a power plant a marine-style engine, bySuperior Diesel& Compressors, @1650 hp with 1500 available hp. It was a speculative style build, and once operational, it was campaigned about the industry.  Unfortunately, it languished for some time, until it was sold at a bargain price to the GM&O( around about #140K(?).

  They(GM&O) used if for some time inthe Moblie,Al area. At one point, it was rolled over; repaired, and earned a reputation for being a very tough engine(?). In the late 1950's and ealy 60's it was based out of the jackson,Tn. area, Often was used in the yard and area of Corinth, Ms. In late1960's it was traded to EMD for new power, the rumor was it was offered for sale to Ill RR Museum, but when they were unable to raise the money, it was scrapped in Chicago(?).

Ingalls 4-S.jpg

The General Electric BQ23-7 was produced during the time that the Railroad Cabooses were fading into history(1978/79). The 'Q" was meant to designate it as "Quarters"; a cab, that could hold a 'full crew'. It was basicly, a GE B23-7 locomotive with room, and seating for an entire train crew(?). There were less than a sozen of these built for the SAL.

Curiously, they were delivered on Bloomberg trucks from trade-ins to GE. At about their delivery dates, the Unions and Railroads had negotiated the two-man rules to replace the full crews, that had been required with the use of the cabooses(?). So the BQ23-7's began to see their windows covered over and they were relegated to 'non-leader' status by the then owner railroad Family Lines>(CSX). All were gone in the early 1960's.

see linked photo of a BQ23-7 from Ril Pictures.net @ http://www.railpictures.net/photo/390331/?id=390331&showexif=1

and here is a Rail Pictures.net of a BQ23-7 designated as a "B" unit (no crew occupied) @

When I was modeling, there was a model of the GM "AeroTrain': Basicly, it was a single unit locomotive, with one engine (GM designated as an A or AA unit). The various "Zephyrs" carried that designation; as well, as the MoPac Delta Eagle.

The AreoTrain was a stylized engine and a train of cars. (The 'cars' were simply, re-worked city bus bodies,widened and strengthened fit rail use(?). {see last linked photo NYC AeroTrain)

see linked here, photos from Railfan.net,  a PRR Aerotrain @ http://www.northeast.railfan.net/images/prr1000a.jpg

Note also, there was a RI version as well ! @ http://www.northeast.railfan.net/images/tr_ri1.jpg

and  also a NYC (photo): Linked @

http://www.northeast.railfan.net/images/tr_nyc1001.jpg

 

 

 

 

 


 

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Posted by BaltACD on Sunday, March 10, 2019 4:45 PM

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Shock Control 
BaltACD

When you talk about ugly - this comes to mind...Closely followed by... 

Could you please share the names and manufacturers of those two?  I'm not familiar.  The bottom one looks like a Euro train. 

GM&O 1900 was constructed by Ingalls Shipbuilding of Mobile, AL - their only attempt at building a locomotive.  I believe the GM&O did operate it for 20 or 30 years.

The SCL engine was built by GE as their BQ23-7.  This was an attempt to build a locomotive that could hold a full crew at the time cabooses were being eliminated but two man crew agreements had yet to be negotiated. 

BaltACD

Ingalls was and is located in Pascagoula MS.

Pascagoula is only a good stone's throw from Mobile on CSX's NO&M Sub.

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Posted by Ulrich on Sunday, March 10, 2019 3:59 PM

I like the PAs but prefer the FAs which are shorter and overall look more balanced. Hey.. its a locomotive.. of course I love it. 

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Posted by Flintlock76 on Sunday, March 10, 2019 2:05 PM

No doubt about it, the ALCO PA and the D&H "Blue Warbonnet" color scheme were made for each other.  Honestly, I prefer the "Blue Warbonnet" over the Santa Fe's more famous red one.

It looked great on the Baldwin "Sharks" too.

That Cuyahoga Valley FPA's a looker as well.

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Posted by oltmannd on Sunday, March 10, 2019 1:26 PM

I'd give the PA and edge over an E-8.

https://flic.kr/p/dp3ci3

 

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Posted by tdmidget on Saturday, March 9, 2019 10:27 PM

BaltACD

 

 
Shock Control
 
BaltACD

When you talk about ugly - this comes to mind...Closely followed by... 

Could you please share the names and manufacturers of those two?  I'm not familiar.  The bottom one looks like a Euro train.

 

GM&O 1900 was constructed by Ingalls Shipbuilding of Mobile, AL - their only attempt at building a locomotive.  I believe the GM&O did operate it for 20 or 30 years.

The SCL engine was built by GE as their BQ23-7.  This was an attempt to build a locomotive that could hold a full crew at the time cabooses were being eliminated but two man crew agreements had yet to be negotiated.

 

[quote user="BaltACD"

Ingalls was and is located in Pascagoula MS.

 

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Posted by Penny Trains on Saturday, March 9, 2019 7:26 PM

I prefer the FPA-4:

No "eyebrows" on the cab sides.  Wink

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Posted by BaltACD on Saturday, March 9, 2019 1:17 PM

Shock Control
 
BaltACD

When you talk about ugly - this comes to mind...Closely followed by... 

Could you please share the names and manufacturers of those two?  I'm not familiar.  The bottom one looks like a Euro train.

GM&O 1900 was constructed by Ingalls Shipbuilding of Mobile, AL - their only attempt at building a locomotive.  I believe the GM&O did operate it for 20 or 30 years.

The SCL engine was built by GE as their BQ23-7.  This was an attempt to build a locomotive that could hold a full crew at the time cabooses were being eliminated but two man crew agreements had yet to be negotiated.

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Posted by Shock Control on Saturday, March 9, 2019 12:38 PM

BaltACD

When you talk about ugly - this comes to mind...Closely followed by...

 

Could you please share the names and manufacturers of those two?  I'm not familiar.  The bottom one looks like a Euro train.

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Posted by Convicted One on Saturday, March 9, 2019 12:32 PM

I believe that it's important to take it all in context.  I enjoy the streamlined diesels from all of the manufacturers, be they EMD E and F units, Alco PA and FA units, and DL 109s, FM Erie builts and C-Liners, Baldwin Centipedes and Baby Faces,  or even the more exotic stuff like the big-blow gas turbines. There were a few other oddballs that I cannot immediately recall, that fit with this group as well.

I think that learning the difference between the various offerings were a big part of my becoming a rail fan. 

That said, I'm glad that my next door neighbor does not have one sitting out in his back yard rusting away.

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Posted by BaltACD on Saturday, March 9, 2019 12:17 PM

When you talk about ugly - this comes to mind

 

Closely followed by 

 

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Posted by Shock Control on Saturday, March 9, 2019 11:55 AM

selector

I find myself coming around eventually with pretty much any unit.  I was cold on the N&W Class J 4-8-4 at first, but came around and find it quite an attractive locomotive.  No idea why that should be.  Same with the C-Liner...eewwww!  Now I quite fancy them.  I was also averse, like you, to the PA at first, but now they seem to fit into the stable quite nicely.

Nicely put.  Maybe I need to try to appreciate the Alco PA on its own terms, rather than thinking about it in relation to E and F units.

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Posted by selector on Saturday, March 9, 2019 11:40 AM

I find myself coming around eventually with pretty much any unit.  I was cold on the N&W Class J 4-8-4 at first, but came around and find it quite an attractive locomotive.  No idea why that should be.  Same with the C-Liner...eewwww!  Now I quite fancy them.  I was also averse, like you, to the PA at first, but now they seem to fit into the stable quite nicely.

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Posted by Shock Control on Saturday, March 9, 2019 10:59 AM

BaltACD

Beauty is in the eye of the beer holder!

Well, maybe that explains why I don't like Alco PAs.  I am a wine connoisseur, and EMD E and F units pair much better with a nice Cabernet.

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Posted by BaltACD on Saturday, March 9, 2019 10:54 AM

Beauty is in the eye of the beer holder!

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Alco PA Locomotives - Love 'em or Hate 'em?
Posted by Shock Control on Saturday, March 9, 2019 10:26 AM

I have read some things online claiming that the Alco PA is the most beautiful diesel locomotive ever.

Personally, I find them ugly.  They look to me like a Bizarro World E7, or like the hellspawn of Satan and an E7.  Or like an E7 that took steroids and showed up at a monster truck rally. 

On the positive side, I do like the top curve over the driver's side window.

What sayest thou?

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