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Murder on the Monon Right of Way bridge in Dephi IN

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Murder on the Monon Right of Way bridge in Dephi IN
Posted by CandOforprogress2 on Tuesday, May 16, 2017 3:01 PM

How long has this bridge been out of service and why are people still walking on it with missing ties?

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Posted by tomikawaTT on Tuesday, May 16, 2017 4:43 PM

That's a 'Rail to trail" hiking trail (the bridge isn't exactly bike-friendly, but it is walkable.)  I strolled a different one in SW Indiana some years ago - had a tunnel as well as a tall bridge with an 'improved' surface suitable for biking.  I expect that the bridge will be given a smooth surface and guardrails when (anf if) money becomes available for improvements.

I wonder how successful the murderer would have been if the two young ladies had both been packing serious heat.  Unfortunately, they weren't.

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Posted by mudchicken on Tuesday, May 16, 2017 6:19 PM

tomikawaTT

That's a 'Rail to trail" hiking trail (the bridge isn't exactly bike-friendly, but it is walkable.)  I strolled a different one in SW Indiana some years ago - had a tunnel as well as a tall bridge with an 'improved' surface suitable for biking.  I expect that the bridge will be given a smooth surface and guardrails when (anf if) money becomes available for improvements.

I wonder how successful the murderer would have been if the two young ladies had both been packing serious heat.  Unfortunately, they weren't.

Chuck [MSgt(ret) USAF]

 

BALONEY! - It's not a rail trail. Anyone claiming it is really needs some time in jail or have his/her bank account emptied (for life). C&O sees the disconnect because of no pedestrian/bicycle improvements on the bridge like solid decking and handrails.

The Deer Creek Bridge was at Monon MP B-113.0 according to the track chart. The ties are not missing, it's a typical timber tie open deck bridge. The rail and inside steel guardrails have been removed.

CSX filed to abandon in 1992, Frankfort (137.5) to Delphi (112.22), trail agency Indiana Landmarks (and its predecessors) have been dragging their feet with CSX for 35 years to acquire the R/W and gain NITU/CITU status. Close, but it hasn't happened yet. The county has been advertising the thing as a legitimate rail trail (not yet). STB just extended the current negotiating period from April 24/May 2  until October 28 of this year. Unfortunately the two girls were technically trespassing (as was the scumbag) on railroad property. The county is totally negligent in advertising this as a rail-trail. (Would love to know what "uncontrollable circumstance(s)" kept the county from executing a bargain and sale deed with CSX on February 24  and transferring the property. Sounds like more trail group incompetence/ recklessness.)

https://www.stb.gov/Decisions/readingroom.nsf/WEBUNID/D9F80ABCF28160C485258113004D613F?OpenDocument

http://www.carrollcountyindiana.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=273&Itemid=154

Stoopid newsworkers missed the big, contributing part of the story once more.

This rivals the stupidity of the Midnight Rider bridge fiasco (at least that JackAss went to jail for his criminal stupidity.)

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Posted by CSSHEGEWISCH on Wednesday, May 17, 2017 6:45 AM

tomikawaTT

I wonder how successful the murderer would have been if the two young ladies had both been packing serious heat.  Unfortunately, they weren't.

Chuck [MSgt(ret) USAF]

 
They probably would still be dead.  Possession of deadly force is no guarantee.
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Posted by samfp1943 on Wednesday, May 17, 2017 9:20 AM

mudchicken

 

 
tomikawaTT

That's a 'Rail to trail" hiking trail (the bridge isn't exactly bike-friendly, but it is walkable.)  I strolled a different one in SW Indiana some years ago - had a tunnel as well as a tall bridge with an 'improved' surface suitable for biking.  I expect that the bridge will be given a smooth surface and guardrails when (anf if) money becomes available for improvements.

I wonder how successful the murderer would have been if the two young ladies had both been packing serious heat.  Unfortunately, they weren't.

Chuck [MSgt(ret) USAF]

 

 

 

BALONEY! - It's not a rail trail. Anyone claiming it is really needs some time in jail or have his/her bank account emptied (for life). C&O sees the disconnect because of no pedestrian/bicycle improvements on the bridge like solid decking and handrails.

 

The Deer Creek Bridge was at Monon MP B-113.0 according to the track chart.

CSX filed to abandon in 1992, Frankfort (137.5) to Delphi (112.22), trail agency Indiana Landmarks (and its predecessors) have been dragging their feet with CSX for 35 years to acquire the R/W and gain NITU/CITU status. Close, but it hasn't happened yet. The county has been advertising the thing as a legitimate rail trail (not yet). STB just extended the current negotiating period from April 24/May 2  until October 28 of this year. Unfortunately the two girls were technically trespassing (as was the scumbag) on railroad property. The county is totally negligent in advertising this as a rail-trail. (Would love to know what "uncontrollable circumstance(s)" kept the county from executing a bargain and sale deed with CSX on February 24  and transferring the property. Sounds like more trail group incompetence/ recklessness.)

https://www.stb.gov/Decisions/readingroom.nsf/WEBUNID/D9F80ABCF28160C485258113004D613F?OpenDocument

http://www.carrollcountyindiana.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=273&Itemid=154

Stoopid newsworkers missed the big, contributing part of the story once more.

This rivals the stupidity of the Midnight Rider bridge fiasco (at least that JackAss went to jail for his criminal stupidity.)

SAD, all the way aroundBlindfoldBlindfoldBlindfold

 

 

 

Uncontrolable Circumstances?  At a guess, it is possibly, a kack of local interest in a trail, followed by failure to understand the legal intricacies of the process of abandonment(?) by local opportunistic pols.     More than likely, more pressing needs, ( read:"squeeking wheel gets the grease.") to place the amount of money needed to make all that happen.     Sum it up as greed,ignorance of the law, and political expediency...My 2 Cents

Sam

 

 


 

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Posted by mudchicken on Wednesday, May 17, 2017 11:52 AM

WAG: There's $eriou$ money involved and the locals don't have it. To get the R/W as a CITU/NITU rail-trail still requires the trail entity to pay salvage value for the line (normally far less than current market value of the surrounding real estate). Many trail groups try to pull a stupid stunt during negotiations by leaving the negotiations open or attempting to wear the railroads down (doesn't happen) to the point the railroads forget about the line so they can adversely claim the line as theirs and not pay a dime for it. (witless trail advocate fanatical dumb thinking) 

 

The kicker is that a rail-trail is still a railroad corridor first and the trail comes in a poor second (has to go away if the railroad ever needs to come back)...

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Posted by CandOforprogress2 on Wednesday, May 17, 2017 12:05 PM

There are a number of high bridges on the EX- Western Maryland in Allegany County MD and they were fenced off by CSX and the C&O Canal National Park Service to prevent people from falling through.  The problem is ownership and the State of Indiana has not been too freindly with the Rails to Trails as there policy had been that abandoned ROWS should revert to private farmers along the way. See what happened to the Ol Erie Mainline and the Wabash mainlines.

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Posted by U-3-b on Wednesday, May 17, 2017 5:58 PM

I've walked across the Delphi bridge several times.  Pretty cool view from the middle.

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Posted by rrnut282 on Saturday, May 20, 2017 3:02 PM

CandOforprogress2

There are a number of high bridges on the EX- Western Maryland in Allegany County MD and they were fenced off by CSX and the C&O Canal National Park Service to prevent people from falling through.  The problem is ownership and the State of Indiana has not been too freindly with the Rails to Trails as there policy had been that abandoned ROWS should revert to private farmers along the way. See what happened to the Ol Erie Mainline and the Wabash mainlines.

 

I have seen in some Indiana county courthouses where the former Erie is listed as owned by R J Corman the company that salvaged the track.  Dunce

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Posted by mudchicken on Tuesday, May 23, 2017 9:01 AM

It's also because they bought the Spencerville & Elgin (now RJC Western Ohio Lines) that came with baggage in Jay and Adams Counties combined with the collapse of Indiana Hi-Rail St. Mary's Line.

(at least they are responsible owners, unlike the disgusting "take the money and run" outfit in Utah)

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