Next New Build In The UK

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Posted by 54light15 on Friday, November 03, 2017 9:49 AM

I will do that for sure! Thanks so much. 

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Posted by M636C on Saturday, November 04, 2017 7:33 PM

There is an amazing range of locomotives being built in the UK now, and a number already running, some being built new and some being modified from existing locomotives.

A complete new build is 5551 "The Unknown Warrior", a Patriot class locomotive of the former London Midland and Scottish Railway. Given the locomotive's name, the plan is to have it complete and running by Remembrance Day, 11 November 2018. This is only a year away, and the locomotive is relatively complete apart from the boiler. The boiler will be built in the UK and not in Germany where the boilers for 2007 and 60163 originate.

Another locomotive is 2999 "Lady of Legend", a Great Western "Saint" class. Because the GWR had very standardised locomotives, 2999 is being built using components of a Hall class locomotive. New larger diameter driving wheels have been cast and a number of new details. 2999 can be adapted to run as both a 4-6-0 and a 4-4-2 as earlier members of the class operated.

6880 "Betton Grange" is another variation of GWR 4-6-0, in this case with smaller driving wheels than a "Hall" class.

Yet another GWR 4-6-0, 1014 "County of Glamorgan" is under construction using the frame of a later "modified Hall" and a boiler from an LMS 8F 2-8-0. Progress has been slow recently, although the chassis is more or less complete.

Great Western 5101 class 2-6-2T no 5193 was rebuilt as a 2-6-0 numbered 9351. It has a "No 2" boiler rather than the larger "No 4" used on the 2-6-0s (although the boilers are interchangeable).

Another 5101 is the basis for two more complicated restorations, 4115 will provide cylinders, wheelsets and frame components to a new large 2-8-0 4709 and its boiler will be used on a new 4-4-2T number 2221.

A new BR Standard 3MT 2-6-2 tank, 82045 is nearly complete.

A new BR 6MT Pacific, 72010 "Hengist" is being constructed.

I'm sure there are others I've omitted...

A partner to "Lyn", a new 600mm 2-6-2T "Lyd", No E190 is complete but is used on the Festiniog and West Highland railways, for example.

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Posted by kgbw49 on Saturday, November 04, 2017 10:22 PM

Thanks for the tip. Unknown Warrior looks to be a very robust 4-6-0!

http://www.lms-patriot.org.uk/galleries/555145551

 

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Posted by kgbw49 on Monday, November 06, 2017 8:06 PM

Here is a link to the Pacific project “Hengist” (name corrected with an assist from M636C - thank you!)

https://www.theclanproject.org/

That is another “Jurassic Park“ project— bringing back an extinct class!

And a great collection of historic photos of the dual-service Clan class in both passenger and freight service.

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Posted by kgbw49 on Tuesday, November 07, 2017 7:50 PM

Thanks again to M636C, here is the link to 82045 2-6-2T:

http://www.82045.org.uk/

These were very modern locomotives and one wonders if with some modification these would be useful even on tourist railroads in the US.

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Posted by M636C on Thursday, November 09, 2017 5:47 AM

kgbw49

Here is a link to the Pacific project “Clan Hengist”:

https://www.theclanproject.org/

That is another “Jurassic Park“ project— bringing back an extinct class!

And a great collection of historic photos of the dual-service Clan class in both passenger and freight service.

 
Just one point:
 
The name is Just "Hengist" not "Clan Hengist"
Five locomotives were ordered for use in Southern England, and had the names:
72010 Hengist, 72011 Horsa, 72012 Canute, 72013 Wildfire, 72014 Firebrand.
 
Hengist and Horsa were brothers and were leaders of the Saxons in Kent.
 
Clan names were resumed for the next fifteen proposed locomotives.
 
Despite there being 25 clan names, it didn't include Clan MacPherson which my late father assured me was the clan my family belonged to.
 
To return to the Class 3 locomotives, the 2-6-2 tanks and the related 2-6-0 tender locomotives. These sat between smaller Class 2 and larger Class 4 locomotives. The BR Standard Class 2 and Class 4 were developed from locomotives built by the London Midland and Scottish, which were built for BR until the standard versions were complete. Both these types were built in large numbers. The Class 3s were designed to fit a "niche" where more powerful locomotives were needed but the track was too light for the larger Class 4s. As a result, relatively few Class 3s were built.
 
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Posted by Firelock76 on Thursday, November 09, 2017 7:50 PM

kgbw49

Thanks for the tip. Unknown Warrior looks to be a very robust 4-6-0!

http://www.lms-patriot.org.uk/galleries/555145551

 

 

Robust indeed!  I just looked at the pictures, and "Warrior" is a good name for that locomotive.  Big, brawny, and no-nonsense.

By the way, did you know the "Unknown Warrior" in Westminster Abbey is the only entombment there (with a memorial stone marking the place on the floor) that no-one EVER walks on? 

After all, he is the representative of all the British Empire fallen in the First World War.

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Posted by M636C on Friday, November 10, 2017 8:07 AM

The "Patriot" design had its origin in the London and North Western Railway "Claughton" class, a four cylinder 4-6-0 introduced in 1913. Because of the war, the last locomotives weren't built until 1921. More than half the locomotives were built after the war. Sadly these were very high maintenance and not particularly reliable.

In 1927, a modern three cylinder class, the "Royal Scot" was introduced which was dramatically better and seventy were built. There was still a need for a locomotive for lighter track and a larger boiler was designed for the Claughton and ten locomotives were upgraded, five with Caprotti poppet valves. This still wasn't enough.

Then someone thought "The enlarged Claughton boiler is quite good, why don't we fit it to a Royal Scot chassis and get a lighter version of a reliable locomotive". One of the pre-war Claughtons, 5902 was "rebuilt" with a Royal Scot chassis, although the original bogie and coupled wheels were used. 51 more were built with the last ten regarded as new.

The build continued until Stanier arrived from the Great Western, and he substituted a GWR style taper boiler on the existing Royal Scot style chassis. This new boiler proved less effective than that on the "Patriot" at first, but eventually became just as effective and 191 more locomotives were built in all, called the "Jubilee" class after King George V's Silver Jubilee.

The name "Patriot" came from a LNWR Claughton (number 1914) which was a war memorial locomotive. The three cylinder rebuilds were universally known as "Baby Scots" since they were, and looked like, a smaller "Royal Scot". Management hated the "Baby Scot" name, so transferred the name "Patriot" to the first rebuild, renumbered by then to 5500, making that the class title.

Four of the 191 "Jubilees", similar to the "Patriot" except for the boiler, are preserved, two in working order.

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Posted by kgbw49 on Saturday, November 11, 2017 3:26 PM
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Posted by daveklepper on Sunday, November 12, 2017 1:03 AM

WOW.    So maybe some year, maybe 100 years from now, someone in the USA will have a Y-7 built!

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Posted by kgbw49 on Tuesday, November 21, 2017 6:14 PM

Here is some information on Great Western 4-6-0 2999 - another "Jurassic Park" resurrection of an extinct locomotive class (with thanks to M636C). It is called "The Saint Project", not to be confused with the great TV series that ran from 1962 to 1969, starring Roger Moore as Simon Templar.

http://www.thesaintproject.co.uk/Pages/SaintProject.html

Also of great interest - again thanks to M636C - here is a link to a 4-4-2 wheel configuration with the same boiler mounted over the running gear. This one is not being brought back from extinction - yet. But the way things are going over in the UK, just give them some time and they'll get to it eventually!

http://www.thesaintproject.co.uk/Pages/AtlanticOption.html

Fascinating stuff and a tip o' the hat to the absolutely amazing steam builders in the UK!

 

 

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