N&W Y7

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Posted by kgbw49 on Friday, February 24, 2017 1:42 PM

There are probably not a whole lot of "close but no cigar" examples like the Y7. The only one I can think of off the top of my head was the proposed Great Northern 73"-drivered 4-6-6-4.

Of course we can't rewrite history, but if the FT had come along 10 years later, we would have probably seen a few of those considered-but-never-built actually happen along with upgraded variations of existing series of locomotives such as the NYC Niagara, UP Challenger, T&P Texas, etc.

In particular it would have been interesting to see what the Southern would have done.

We will never know - history is what it is and time marches on.




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Posted by feltonhill on Friday, February 24, 2017 1:58 PM

No problem.  It's essentially been public information since the NWHS Williamson convention

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Posted by Firelock76 on Saturday, February 25, 2017 9:26 AM

Feltonhill!  Where've you been buddy?  It's been too long since we've heard from you!

To ad a bit to what kgb said, the Jersey Central was considering buying articulated steamers, I think 4-6-6-4's, after World War Two, they hadn't bought any new locomotives since 1930, but then the F3's came along and that was the end of that.  Too bad, imagine Challenger types roaring across New Jersey in the post-war years, what a sight THAT would have been!

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Posted by Miningman on Saturday, February 25, 2017 11:44 AM

Firelock76- Yes that 40,000 number sounds right...thinking 100,000 was something I read years ago about total number of steam locos at the height during the '20's. 

There were considerably less diesels replacing steam...certainly not one for one. Considering the savings in labour, maintainence, roundhouses, water and so forth it did not save them at all..especially in the East then the Central. Everything went to hell in a handbasket, not the diesels fault, all the positives wiped out pretty quickly. 

Must have been quite the shock to see steam replaced so quickly and thoughouly as on the Erie, CNJ, New Haven, Lackawanna, Rock Island, Milwaukee, and so on. 

Toronto, Hamilton and Buffalo Berkshires went into the blast furnaces 1953. The smaller roads up here dieselized real quick. CNR and CPR had an large uptick in business all through the fifities. Essentially being a "Union Pacific" and a "Santa Fe" with long transcon runs, CNR and CPR delayed a lot of scrapping becuase buisness was so good they were needed, not because diesels were not arriving on the property. In any case that gave me 7 or 8 more years of bliss. That all ended essentially in '59. 


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