LNER 4472 The Flying Scotsman 1969/1972 in America

[M636C]

eagle1030

Overmod, now that I look into it, they are different.  I apologize.  Seeing that the Peppercorns and A1/A3s were both Pacifics built for LNER with Gresley gears by Doncaster Works and looked very similar, I wrongly assumed they were part of a continuing series of locomotives.

And who doesn't like an A4?  It's probably the cleanest looking streamlined British engine ever, and they do have the record.  That gives me an idea for a new thread...

The Peppercorn and the earlier Thompson 4-6-2s were all fitted with three independent valve gears for the three cylinders and did not use the Gresley (Holcroft) conjugated valve gear. Apart from this, the locomotives were similar to the Gresley designs.

The boilers on the Peppercorn A1 and A2 classes had a larger grate area than used on Gresley's Pacific locomotives, although Gresley used the larger firebox on his 2-8-2 P2 class and 4-6-4 W1 class locomotives. It is understood that the larger grate on the A1 and A2 was in anticipation of poorer quality coal being supplied in the years after WWII.

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[eagle1030]

Overmod, now that I look into it, they are different.  I apologize.  Seeing that the Peppercorns and A1/A3s were both Pacifics built for LNER with Gresley gears by Doncaster Works and looked very similar, I wrongly assumed they were part of a continuing series of locomotives.

And who doesn't like an A4?  It's probably the cleanest looking streamlined British engine ever, and they do have the record.  That gives me an idea for a new thread...

[samfp1943]

Overmod

Eagle, the Tornado and Flying Scotsman are not 'two of the same series'.  Tornado is a reincarnation (I won't correct the term for 'made in metal' instead of 'made flesh' ;-} of a Peppercorn design, considerably later than the A1-A4 series of designs by Nigel Gresley.

Do you not like the streamlined A4s (one of which holds the 'official' English-speaking-world fastest steam locomotive speed record?)  

Note Dave Klepper's thread about the Stanier Black Fives -- another beautiful (to my eyes) British design, and gthe jumping-off-place design for the 5AT group's high-speed locomotive.

Overmod:

Thought you (and some others !) might enjoy this linked article on the LNER 4468 "Mallard"

http://www.lner.info/locos/A/a4.shtml

and this You Tube of the Mallard running in UK.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UvlFeE38WN0 

and Part II: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HOcM40ICNs0

[Deggesty]

I was able to see the Flying Scotsman engine twice. The first time was when it wa going from Birmingham, Ala., to Meridian--I was not able to get up to Birmingham to see it or much less to ride it from Birmingham, but I was able to get over to Tuscaloosa and watch it and take a picture as it approached the 15th Street bridge--and immediately move to the other side of the bridge and take a picture as it continued down the road.

The second time came during our honeymoon, in 1972, (my bride and I traveled from Ogden to Salt Lake City via San Francisco and Denver). We visited it in San Francisco, and walked through it, all the way to the footplate and back.

 

[Overmod]

Eagle, the Tornado and Flying Scotsman are not 'two of the same series'.  Tornado is a reincarnation (I won't correct the term for 'made in metal' instead of 'made flesh' ;-} of a Peppercorn design, considerably later than the A1-A4 series of designs by Nigel Gresley.

Do you not like the streamlined A4s (one of which holds the 'official' English-speaking-world fastest steam locomotive speed record?)  

Note Dave Klepper's thread about the Stanier Black Fives -- another beautiful (to my eyes) British design, and gthe jumping-off-place design for the 5AT group's high-speed locomotive.

[eagle1030]

It certainly is a marvelous machine.  Also testifying to this design is the Tornado, built in 2008.  Though the Tornado is an A1, and the Flying Scotsman is an A3, they are very similar in design, and show that the technology in the 1920s is still relevant and useful today.  The foamer side of me wants the Brits to hurry up and fix the Scotsman so we can see a Scotsman-Tornado doubleheader.

[samfp1943]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OSFLUwazVio  4472  In England prior to visit.

A B&W of 4472 running in England (with the Long Distance extra water tender) and has footage of Alan Pegler.   http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JiJ7XsEK0M4&list=PL3D3AE034BF1825FB

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jEEfwfPAuaQ  This is a video that shows the preparations and loading of the 4472 at Liverpool.

And this of the arrival in Boston;   http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OSFLUwazVio 

(narrated by Alan Pegler) ( time 40.40 min)

  Apparently, in 1970 she was put up for the winter in 1970 in Texas ( few details of that winter lay up are noted in the videos?)

This video is about 50 min long and fills in some of the details of what happened after Mr. pegler went bankrupt after the English Government withdrew some of its financial support due to recession in the second year of its American visit. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y1jB2XnbqQQ  Shows the 4472 before it left for its yerar long trip to Australia.

And to Australia in 1988 :http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SbgIvmUz8dw

Found these and a number of other videos featuring 4472 in England prior to her American Trip(1969/73) as well as footage from her trip to Australia (1988/89) she logged 28,000 miles there.

    From time to time there have been Threads here referencing the 1969/1973 Trip to the United States. I had only seen some still photos of the locomotive wile in the States.   4472 was fitted with a Janey Coupler on the locomotive along with a pilot a bell and headlamp...According to the video of 4472's arrival at Boston; The pilot, and coupler were applied in England, the headlight in the States. The Bell, and  Headlight  were loaned by the Southern Rwy.

  Thee are any number of videos showing her time in the States and the financial issues (?) encountered by the 4472 Sponsors, and Mr. Pegler prior to 4472 being shipped back to England.   It was quite a journey 4472 made to both The United States and then to Australia.  I would guess that no other steamer has even clone close to the miles run on  it overseas adventures.  You would have to say that the 4472 is an homage to English Steam Locomotive builders.

 It would be very interesting to find a video of the Flying Scotsman (4472) runniing in America with her Deep, Southern Rwy Whistle and the Bell that was also loaned by the Southern Rwy for her visit.  Of course, the folks in the UK are certainly not used to seeing the 4472 with her American Pilot and its big Janey Coupler up front.