Will CPR's Empress steam program be scrapped?

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Posted by Overmod on Thursday, August 22, 2019 9:04 AM

If I remember correctly there are multiple D&H 4-6-6-4 tenders in preservation, although I don't know if as many as L&N 'Big Emma' tenders.  I'm sure someone who reads this will have exact numbers and perhaps an extended history.

(I'd happily contribute to an effort to build a replica Big Emma using one of the latter.  That was perhaps the best of the Berkshires: a full 4-8-4 designed slightly shorter to fit 'as much locomotive as possible' onto available turntables.)

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Posted by NDG on Thursday, August 22, 2019 10:34 AM
FYI.
 
D&H 1511
 
 
 
As it says here, the latest of the D&H Challengers were delivered in 1946, and scrapped in 1953.
 
 
Must be a record for the Shortest-lived steam locomotives? a la NYC/P&LE 9400s?
 
 
As an aside, Rumor was the D&H sent a Challenger to Montreal to 'Show it Off ' in CPR's Windsor Station, and to this end as the locomotive was much taller than the CPR Power then in use, the concrete walls of the smoke channels in the roof had to be chipped away to accommodate the top of the smoke stack.
 
Never seen a photo of a D&H Challenger in Montreal, and it might be an Urban Legend re Track and Bridges?
 
The Smoke Channels in Windsor Station WERE chipped away, tho', to increase clearance.
 
 
PA Windsor Station, Smoke Channel chipped away. Where channel extended over bumper at end of track, the original rounded contour was still visible, not chipped away.
 
 
 
FWIW.
 
Multi-Pressure 3 Cyl CP 8000 WAS exhibited in Windsor Station. Station Cropped out.
 
 
The TENDER from CP 8000 lasted into the Diesel Era behind another locomotive.
 
 
FWIW.
 
A CPR Baldwin.
 
 
Thank You.

 

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Posted by CSSHEGEWISCH on Thursday, August 22, 2019 12:03 PM

The A-2's were Alco's last steam locomotives, so much so that Lima built the tenders.  P&LE management did not want the A-2's but the parent road forced them on P&LE.

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Posted by Overmod on Thursday, August 22, 2019 12:26 PM

NDG
Must be a record for the Shortest-lived steam locomotives?

I'd propose the Western Maryland's amazing M-2 Potomacs as vying for that honor, at least for engines that had no perceived or operational defect.  Ordered and delivered after WM observed the Reading T-1s in action, in 1947, but all out of service by May 1954.  (And not scrapped until their equipment trusts hit 10 years ... but every one went then.)

Bet not one in a hundred railfans knows about them.  I wouldn't if not for the extensive footnotes in Riding The Locomotive Cabs.

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Posted by SD70Dude on Thursday, August 22, 2019 4:00 PM

AgentKid

Somebodys monkeying around, the 6711 was a SW9, which became the Ogden Shop switcher, and is listed as retired. The newest picture on CPRDieselRoster.com is from 2015. It seems to have worked in Edmonton back in the day.

Bruce

I was able to identify the exact location of the photo at Ogden on Google Earth, using the warehouse in the background as a reference, and using their historical imagery feature I can also date certain features in the photo. 

The foreground of the photo (with the little trees) was landscaped between August and October 2018, but the grass strip between the two paved roadways does not appear in the 2018 shots. 

Therefore, the photo was taken during late spring or summer 2019.

2816's exact location in the photo is here:  50.996537, -113.999453

The current Google Maps shot (with the 3 F-units sitting outside the nearby shop building) was taken on August 31, 2017.

Greetings from Alberta

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Posted by NDG on Thursday, August 22, 2019 5:14 PM
More random thoughts than anything.
 
HAVE to love the Internet!
 
Wreck WM 1411.
 
 
 
Suppose it was NOT rebuilt?, Mais, stranger things have occurred?
 
I was not aware of this class of locomotive. Lovely!
 
 
Amazing what came off the Erecting Shop Floors during that final Decade 1946-1956.
 
This includes the coal-fired steam turbine electric creations a la C&O, N&W.
 
 
OF COURSE, NOTHING! can eclipse that Chain Drive British creation!!
 
NOTHING!!
 
 
Progress looking out the rear window?
 
Anyway.
 
NYC/P&LE 9401.  The Over Fire Jets Noisy in use. 
 
 
Ugly in a beautiful sort of way, Like a Niagara.
 
 
This engine received Diesel Control for Diesels behind to pull Museum Train on Vancouver Island as Royal Hudson CP 2860 too heavy re trestles. MU Controller then went on CN 2141 at Kamloops.
 
 
CN 2141.
 
 
 
Thanks to Mr. Overmod I now know MUCH more about the NYC Niagara than I did before, see how successful it was and the top of reciprocating steam locomotive construction at the end of the War.
 
Much data re their development and Mileages per month indicating Success!!
 
Would have bought the Book! But Shipping was outlandish.
 
Acquired ' Three Barrels of Steam ', then passed it on to a younger man for his elucidation.
 
 
MLW constructed three 3-cylinder engines for Mexico. Pacifics?
 
CNR rebuilt steam right up to the end, sending some for scrap, paint still wet.
 
 
Back to the Past.
 
Canadian Locomotive Strafed by War Birds.
 
In a Movie. In Jamaica. 4-8-0.
 
 
 
 
Look at it now. 
 
Look at it ALL, now.
 
 
A Citirail Diesel went by on a drag the other day, too far away to get the number.
 
 
A lifetime of change.
 
Time for Meds, A trip to Starbucks on my 4-8-2 bike, or a Nap?
 
Maybe all of them?
 
Blame it on Old Age.
 
Decisions, Decisions, Decisions.
 
Starbucks won!
 
Thank You. 
 

 

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Posted by Overmod on Thursday, August 22, 2019 6:16 PM

NDG
A Citirail Diesel went by on a drag the other day, too far away to get the number.

I have one in a coal-train consist that reliably shuttles through here.  It is helpfully #1211, from the 2012 series that I'd heard nobody was currently leasing.  Go figure!

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Posted by SD70Dude on Thursday, August 22, 2019 6:24 PM

The 1500's are still running around on CN and we had some 1400's too, but I haven't seen one of them for a while. 

They pull as well as any other ES44AC and their cabs are better laid out than CN's units, with the microwave down in the nose and fully reclining seats.  And no inward-facing cameras.  I suspect they were built to Ferromex or BNSF specs, as they only had fridges (no microwave or hot plate) when CN started leasing them, and sometimes you have to use the "FXE" initials when setting up Distributed Power with them. 

They also have pass-through ECP cables. 

Because of the seats they are well liked by crews, and are my favourite units to run.

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Posted by NorthWest on Thursday, August 22, 2019 7:44 PM

I've gotten a 1200 and multiple 1300s and 1400s on the BNSF this summer. They used to be confined to coal trains, but I've mostly found them on manifests this year.

One of the times I did get them on a coal train, a 1400 led a 1300, which isn't supposed to happen because they're not PTC equipped.

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