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Locomotive type distribution in 1904
Posted by 7j43k on Saturday, April 9, 2011 10:44 AM

Below is a modified version of my response in another part of the forums.  Thought the folks here might be interested if they hadn't seen it earlier.  Particularly striking to me is the quantity of compound locomotives:

Wow, what are the odds?  I just ambled in to look at one of my all-time favorite steam locomotive book (Alfred W. Bruce's "The Steam Locomotive in America") and the pages just about fell open to page 71.  Thereon is a chart which may not be a total answer to your question, but it'll help.  It's titled "Types of main line steam locomotives in the United States as shown in the Consist of December 31, 1904".  Bruce also says about this chart "...presents the motive power consist at the end of 1904 on the United States railroads reporting to the Interstate Commerce Commission." 

Numbers after the locomotive type are the total (if I added correctly) of the other numbers of the row.

2-8-0   11399     765 4 cyl comp      376 2 cyl comp        10258 simple

4-4-0   11323     60                             5                                 11258

4-6-0   9232        502                          280                             8450

2-6-0   5465       148                           149                             5168

0-6-0   4764       2                                30                               4732

0-4-0   1172                                                                             1172

4-4-2   852         159                                                                693

4-8-0   557                                             64                              493

2-6-2   456         179                             26                              260

4-6-2   233         85                                                                  148

0-8-0   168                                                                                168

2-4-2   121         20                                                                  101

2-4-0   51                                                                                   51

2-8-2   34           31                                                                   3

2-10-0  15          10                                                                   5

0-10-0  10                                                                                  10

misc tank     256 

 

Gee, a 4 cylinder compound 0-6-0.  Who knew?   Not shown is B&O's 0-6-6-0--(built in 1904???)--perhaps it hadn't been officially accepted yet?  And 4-cylinder Mikes outnumbering simples?  Maybe, maybe not.

 

 

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Posted by gbrewer on Friday, April 15, 2011 10:58 PM

Ed,

A very interesting chart indeed.It gives on a good prospective on locomotives in one year in the real Railroad Glory Days.

Yes, those non-articulateds compound enjoyed a considerable if very brief popularity.

As I recall, there are a couple more equally interesting charts buried in that book.

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Posted by 7j43k on Saturday, April 16, 2011 2:40 PM

gbrewer

Ed,

A very interesting chart indeed.It gives on a good prospective on locomotives in one year in the real Railroad Glory Days.

Yes, those non-articulateds compound enjoyed a considerable if very brief popularity.

Which reminds me:  The D&H 4-8-0 triple compound of 1933--I wonder how successful it was AFTER correcting for the possible/probable lack of support from the folks who actually took care of it after it was "out on the line".

 

As I recall, there are a couple more equally interesting charts buried in that book.

Glen Brewer

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Oh, yes.  And much, much more.

 

 

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Posted by AgentKid on Monday, April 18, 2011 4:51 PM

I really enjoyed seeing this chart.

The Ten-Wheelers are at #3 at the moment, but as they say in the music biz they were #1 With A Bullet. At least in the CPR's case, they were the largest single type of steam locomotive they owned when it was all said and done. In fact it accounted for 40-50% of all the steam engines the CPR owned.

And it is interesting to see the start of the Pacific and Mikado's rise to dominance in the industry.

Thanks for posting this.

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Posted by cefinkjr on Monday, April 18, 2011 5:34 PM

Thanks for the data.  It was very interesting.

I had known that Consolidations outnumbered all other types but didn't think they did that early.  I was also a bit surprised at the number of different types at that early date.  I opened this thread expecting to see 4-4-0s in the huge majority and a handful of other types.

Another example of the greatest thing about ferroequinology: You just can't avoid learning something knew every day, regardless of how long you've been studying the beast.

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Posted by Alan Robinson on Tuesday, April 19, 2011 12:20 PM

As far as compound mikes go, the D&RG narrow gauge class K27 built in 1903 accounted for fifteen of the thirty in this table. This was the glory time of compounding, but most didn't last long in that configuration. Yes, they did save on coal and water, but the maintenance costs and added complexity more than made up for the savings in fuel. The one exception to the early demise of compounding was the true mallet type, of course. Many of these were very successful engines with many lasting through the end of steam.

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Posted by JimValle on Tuesday, April 19, 2011 5:14 PM

Actually four cylinders was the norm for compound engines in 1904.  The Vauclain Compounds featured a high pressure and a low pressure cylinder stacked one on top of the other on each side of the locomotive with the valve cylinder inside.  The Balanced Compounds had the high pressure cylinders inside of the low pressure cylinders but still one of each on each side of the locomotive.  Only the Cross Compounds had two cylinders, a high pressure cylinder on one side feeding steam into a low pressure cylinder on the other side.  Although it was theoretically possible to equalize the work output of the high and low pressure cylinders by applying Boyle's Law to determine the dimensions of the pistons and cylinders, in fact it was very difficult to get the system "square".  The high pressure cylinder almost always did more work which resulted in uneven wear on the crosshead guides or wracking of the engine frame on Cross Compounds.  Compounding went out of use when superheaters were introduced around 1910.  They offered the same increase in efficiency without the maintenance nightmares. 

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Posted by 7j43k on Wednesday, April 20, 2011 3:25 PM

JimValle

Compounding went out of use when superheaters were introduced around 1910.  They offered the same increase in efficiency without the maintenance nightmares. 

If both gave the same increase in efficiency, why not do both and "double" the total increase? 

There's also at least one other type of Compound: the tandem.  With everything out in the open, it seems like it should have been more successful.

 

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Posted by locobasede on Wednesday, May 11, 2011 7:57 AM

snip: If both gave the same increase in efficiency, why not do both and "double" the total increase?

reply: Because then they would have been French. ;~>.  

Serious replies:

1) The French designed and built hundreds of superheated compounds (and the Germans superheated many of theirs). While they might have preferred the US-built 2-8-2s after World War II, that reflected changes in how they crewed their engines.

2) I recall reading several contemporary commentaries that pointed to the excessive condensation in the LP cylinders because of lower-pressure steam being admitted into a larger volume. Superheat would have reduced this, but very few North American engines went that route. The N & W 2-8-8-2s (and the USRA derivatives) are noble exceptions.

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