New Big Boy book from Kalmbach

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New Big Boy book from Kalmbach
Posted by sgriggs on Saturday, October 17, 2020 11:43 AM

I received an email this morning announcing a new, 224 page book from Kalmbach on the Big Boy type, including development and operation, and restoration of the 4014.  Does anyone know if this is largely a new text, written specifically for this book, or merely an aggregation of previously published articles from Trains magazine, and other Kalmbach periodicals?

 

If this book contains new text, I'm interested.  If it is simply a regurgitation of articles already published, I don't much see the point in buying.

 

Anybody know?

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Posted by Overmod on Saturday, October 17, 2020 12:01 PM

It is being touted as the definitive history of the class.  To actually 'be' that, it would have to be extensively newly-written, and previous articles footnoted rather than extensively plagiarizedadapted.

I don't think we'll know for sure until Kalmbach provides the table of contents and perhaps some excerpts and illustrations from it.

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Posted by Flintlock76 on Saturday, October 17, 2020 3:18 PM

Overmod
I don't think we'll know for sure until Kalmbach provides the table of contents and perhaps some excerpts and illustrations from it.

Or a disinterested party in the railfan community writes a review.

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Posted by Lithonia Operator on Sunday, October 18, 2020 1:29 PM

Hey Flint, buy me one, and I'll review it. Wink

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Posted by Overmod on Sunday, October 18, 2020 2:03 PM

See, I was posting on the assumption the book isn't actually available yet... and as of 20 seconds ago on Amazon, it still isn't.

Whether it gets reviews there or on the various railroad forums first remains to be seen, but one thing I don't expect soon will be 'dispassionate' reviews...

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Posted by charlie hebdo on Sunday, October 18, 2020 3:47 PM

Overmod

It is being touted as the definitive history of the class.  To actually 'be' that, it would have to be extensively newly-written, and previous articles footnoted rather than extensively plagiarizedadapted.

I don't think we'll know for sure until Kalmbach provides the table of contents and perhaps some excerpts and illustrations from it.

 

It's perfectly acceptable to put together a book composed of a mix of some new material along with a collection of previously written articles, as long as the are so credited.  It's been done for years,  by many. 

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Posted by Overmod on Sunday, October 18, 2020 5:08 PM

charlie hebdo
It's perfectly acceptable to put together a book composed of a mix of some new material along with a collection of previously written articles, as long as the are so credited.  It's been done for years, by many. 

With respect, that's not the concern here... the OP expressed concern that it not be primarily just a rehash of old Trains material, but represent what Kalmbach is advertising it to be: a definitive history of the class in service, and then a good account of the restoration and 'touring' so far.  

I suspect that for many, a compilation of Trains material would be a reasonable thing to spend $30 on, and I'm not going to pretend outrage if it were to turn out that's what largely comprises both parts of the book.  I'll be interested in the book if it adds new detail.  I'd be upset to buy it to find it's just magazine coverage rolled around some continuity prose.  And until the book is 'out' for delivery (by Amazon or other vendors that feature reviews) I'm reluctant to gamble.

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Posted by charlie hebdo on Sunday, October 18, 2020 5:54 PM

All true but then why did you post and deliberately cross out the word plagiarized? That was what seemed amiss in your post. 

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Posted by Backshop on Sunday, October 18, 2020 6:20 PM

charlie hebdo

All true but then why did you post and deliberately cross out the word plagiarized? That was what seemed amiss in your post. 

 

I wondered that myself.  Seeing how Trains and this new book are both Kalmbach products, I'm sure they have an agreement on file already with all of the authors.

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Posted by Overmod on Sunday, October 18, 2020 6:38 PM

charlie hebdo
All true but then why did you post and deliberately cross out the word plagiarized? That was what seemed amiss in your post.

Was more an attempt at humor, concerning a recent Trains article and the idea that the 'new' book might be taken from old material without full credit to the original writers.

If it is a congeries of quoted articles then, correctly as charlie hebdo is concerned, there would be no plagiarism.

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Posted by charlie hebdo on Sunday, October 18, 2020 7:46 PM

Overmod

 

 
charlie hebdo
All true but then why did you post and deliberately cross out the word plagiarized? That was what seemed amiss in your post.

 

Was more an attempt at humor, concerning a recent Trains article and the idea that the 'new' book might be taken from old material without full credit to the original writers.

 

If it is a congeries of quoted articles then, correctly as charlie hebdo is concerned, there would be no plagiarism.

 

Predictable, if course,  that you were just  joking. 

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Posted by sgriggs on Sunday, October 18, 2020 11:02 PM

The fact that no author is identified leads me to suspect this will be a compilation of past articles from the magazines.  A good number have appeared in the pages on Trains, Classic Trains, and various special issues over the years.  Enough to fill 224 pages?  Maybe.  Alas, without access to the people with firsthand design knowledge and operating experience, the time for writing a more detailed book than William Kratville's may have past.  

I'll watch for reviews or a published table of contents.

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Posted by Overmod on Monday, October 19, 2020 10:04 AM

charlie hebdo
Predictable, if course,  that you were just  joking.

Not that I don't take intentional plagiarism very seriously.  Please excuse that I continue to think of Kalmbach as a major factor in Colin's recent adventure.  I don't propose to argue anyone else into agreeing.  Perhaps if publicity for the Big Boy book acknowledged the several authors of original articles -- if it turns out to be largely assembled 'prior content' -- rather than a new 224-page definitive new work, I would be less critical.

No matter, though: it will be what it is.

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Posted by samfp1943 on Monday, October 19, 2020 10:49 AM

This Thread has caused me to go back and dig out my copy of one of the Kalmbach's really, elderly,but a favorite of mine " Steam's Finest Hour" [1959]  'Edited' by David P. Morgan.  fly leaf printed price was $15.00.....  Yep! It is also a 'complation',  posts a Builders Print of each type covered and in many cases, there is an accredited photograph of the same type, in service..

I bought it when I was..... The purchase price was a mountain to climb for a teen, at that time.  It's cover is a little ratty-tatty, but it is still a 'treasure' for an old geezer. Bang Head

  And the upcoming book, on 'Big Boy's'; I'll probably buy one for myself, and one for my grandson, as well.   Regardless!  Whistling

 My one hobbiest's  regret?Whistling  I did not buy one of those $50.00 life-time Model Railroader subscriptons; when they were offered..... Way back when! Laugh 

Which reminds me....Is there anyone, these days, who bought a subscription and is still receiving it ?   Inquiring Minds...would like to know?Laugh

 

 


 

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Posted by kgbw49 on Monday, October 19, 2020 9:13 PM

samfp1943 - I too have Steam's Finest Hour. Fabulous book! I have my Big Boy tome on order. What the heck - in normal times a dinner and drinks with the better half goes for way more than that. I am glad Trains is adding to the database of steam.

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