Part of a PRR Hulett may rise again in Cleveland park

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Part of a PRR Hulett may rise again in Cleveland park
Posted by Penny Trains on Thursday, August 22, 2019 7:23 PM

The Cleveland Landmarks Commission has approved a proposal to resurrect one piece of a Pennsylvania Railroad surviving Hulett ore unloader at a new park on Whiskey Island at the mouth of the Cuyahoga river.

Full story here: https://www.cleveland.com/news/2019/08/landmarks-commission-approves-plan-to-erect-giant-hulett-part-on-lakefront.html

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Posted by BaltACD on Saturday, August 24, 2019 11:05 AM

Need to have a full hulett to actually visualize how they worked - 

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Posted by MidlandMike on Saturday, August 24, 2019 8:37 PM

No wonder they invented self-unloading boats.

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Posted by 54light15 on Sunday, August 25, 2019 10:09 AM

I've heard of them but have never seen one, much less one in action. When was this filmed? Are there any still in use? 

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Posted by BaltACD on Sunday, August 25, 2019 12:31 PM

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I've heard of them but have never seen one, much less one in action. When was this filmed? Are there any still in use? 

In as much as ConRail hoppers are pictured it was sometime in the middle 70's or maybe early 80's.  Not aware of any that are still in use.

 

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Posted by Penny Trains on Sunday, August 25, 2019 6:55 PM

2 of the 4 still exist:

https://www.cleveland.com/metro/2019/08/see-dismantled-huletts-on-whiskey-island-industrial-history-covered-in-rust-greenery.html

You know how I feel, I'd rather see a park opened around them where they are rather than just erecting one bucket like some kind of obelisk.

https://allthingsclevelandohio.blogspot.com/2008/01/hulett-ore-unloaders-clevelands-late.html

 

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Posted by Overmod on Sunday, August 25, 2019 8:09 PM

Aren't all four of the ones in Ashtabula still up?

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Posted by MidlandMike on Sunday, August 25, 2019 9:54 PM

Overmod

Aren't all four of the ones in Ashtabula still up?

 

Can't see any there on Google Earth, even in historic views back to 1994.  A quick search seems to indicate the dismantled ones at Cleveland are the last.

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Posted by Gramp on Monday, August 26, 2019 12:49 AM

They move around like something out of The War of the Worlds. 

Mind-numbing work for the operator. 

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Posted by Overmod on Monday, August 26, 2019 3:12 AM

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Mind-numbing work for the operator.

I was actually surprised how un-mind-numbing the actual operation of one of these things was.  I suppose I had visions of some great complicated set of controls, like a cross between a crane and Charlie Chaplin in Modern Times.  The reality as demonstrated in the attached video is surprisingly different -- and admittedly experience makes the coordination between simple control manipulation and outside action more exact, but the controls facilitate it. 

I was always a bit sad that no one seems to have carefully filmed steam-hammer men carefully cracking eggshells and watch crystals with their experienced control, but this is the next best thing.  Glad it was preserved, as it's a skill unlikely to be either taught or documented.

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Posted by Penny Trains on Monday, August 26, 2019 7:21 PM

Predecessors:

Erie Huletts under construction:

 

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Posted by NDG on Monday, August 26, 2019 11:46 PM
More Ship Stuff.
 
1943 + 1925.
 
 
Looks as if they are ' Feeding'.
 
 
1950  Lorain - Duluth - Conneaut.
 
 
Note Kick Back time 02:10. Sends Empty back to Yard thru Spring Switch.
 
 

An Oh S**t!! Moment.

 
Bulk Carrier sinks at dock after being struck by another ship.
 
 
Thank You.

 

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Posted by BaltACD on Tuesday, August 27, 2019 8:48 AM

NDG
More Ship Stuff. 
1943 + 1925.
 
 
Looks as if they are ' Feeding'.
 
 
1950  Lorain - Duluth - Conneaut.
 
 
Note Kick Back time 02:10. Sends Empty back to Yard thru Spring Switch.

What was, but will never be again.  A sad commentary of the manufacturing power of the USA that has been lost.
 
 
NDG

An Oh S**t!! Moment. 

Bulk Carrier sinks at dock after being struck by another ship.
 
 
Thank You.
I have recently watched a number of marine salvage videos - I suspect, if there is one, the salvage of the sunk vessel would be interesting in the methods used to, most likely, refloat the vessel and transport it to a ship repair facility.
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Posted by Penny Trains on Tuesday, August 27, 2019 7:06 PM

I remember 2 things about a river cruise that we took on the Goodtime II back in the early 1980's.  The huletts and the S.S. Canadiana:

Both scared the crap out of me!  Laugh

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Posted by NKP guy on Wednesday, August 28, 2019 12:12 PM

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You know how I feel, I'd rather see a park opened around them where they are rather than just erecting one bucket like some kind of obelisk.

 

+1

   The current proposal seems absurd to me.  Where's the context?  Imagine the picture with the ore boat gone (it's been moved at least once and may someday move again): what's left is "some kind of obelisk."  Who will gain any appreciation for Hulett unloaders if this is all there is to see?  I think this proposal is simply to get the preservation group off the city's back, as it were.

   My first day as a deckhand on the Str. Reiss Brothers was in Ashtabula where I was immediately sent to the bottom of the cargo hold to help clean up what the Huletts missed.  When I saw that enormous arm and gaping maw coming fast right down next to me I was really taken aback.  To see these brontosauri in action was more than impressive and a serious introduction for me, a college kid, into the world of working men.

   The Hulets would eventually have had to be replaced by self-unloading boats if for no other reason than the unavailability of spare parts.  I'm very sorry they were dismantled in the first place, but they were in the way and Time moves forward.

   Or, as we used to say in the 1950's:  That's progress.

   But it doesn't mean we have to like it.

 

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Posted by BaltACD on Wednesday, August 28, 2019 1:48 PM

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Penny Trains
You know how I feel, I'd rather see a park opened around them where they are rather than just erecting one bucket like some kind of obelisk. 

+1

   The current proposal seems absurd to me.  Where's the context?  Imagine the picture with the ore boat gone (it's been moved at least once and may someday move again): what's left is "some kind of obelisk."  Who will gain any appreciation for Hulett unloaders if this is all there is to see?  I think this proposal is simply to get the preservation group off the city's back, as it were.

   My first day as a deckhand on the Str. Reiss Brothers was in Ashtabula where I was immediately sent to the bottom of the cargo hold to help clean up what the Huletts missed.  When I saw that enormous arm and gaping maw coming fast right down next to me I was really taken aback.  To see these brontosauri in action was more than impressive and a serious introduction for me, a college kid, into the world of working men.

   The Hullets would eventually have had to be replaced by self-unloading boats if for no other reason than the unavailability of spare parts.  I'm very sorry they were dismantled in the first place, but they were in the way and Time moves forward.

   Or, as we used to say in the 1950's:  That's progress.

   But it doesn't mean we have to like it.

A Hulett boom as a oblisk is a travesty and doesn't convey any understanding of what the Hulett's were or how they performed their function.  If the representation of a historical artifact doesn't convey what it is and how it was used - it might as well be left as drawings in a book.

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Posted by Leo_Ames on Wednesday, August 28, 2019 7:22 PM

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A Hulett boom as a oblisk is a travesty and doesn't convey any understanding of what the Hulett's were or how they performed their function.  If the representation of a historical artifact doesn't convey what it is and how it was used - it might as well be left as drawings in a book.

Thanks for writing that.

I've been staying out of this thread despite several failed attempts to compose my thoughts in a post. But you just said to a tee exactly what I've been feeling but couldn't quite put down in words.

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Posted by Penny Trains on Wednesday, August 28, 2019 8:18 PM

It's a bit vague as to what they have in mind.  One of the concept paintings shows a model, but whether an interpreter will be present (and/or how often) I haven't found out.

I have to download and read the full proposals from here: http://canalwaypartners.com/projects/huletts/

There's also going to be a Hulett Hotel:

 

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Posted by BaltACD on Thursday, August 29, 2019 8:19 AM

Penny Trains

There's also going to be a Hulett Hotel:

 

Will the rooms replicate the motions of the Hulett's operators compartment during the visitors stay? Pizza

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Posted by Overmod on Thursday, August 29, 2019 9:01 AM

BaltACD
Will the rooms replicate the motions of the Hulett's operators compartment during the visitors stay? 

I was going to ask if the mechanism could be adapted to be a couple of elevators, but I like your idea better.  Suites on the top floor have the controls from a couple of the Huletts installed with a seat, and the view changes as you run up and down...

... or have a model in the room, with a camera duplicating the operator's views, and control its motion from the 'historic fabric' controls.

I still think museums would love to have a 'Hulett simulator' perhaps with a soundtrack.  I was frankly astounded how quiet it was in the cab in that video.

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Posted by NorthWest on Sunday, September 08, 2019 10:57 PM

Uploaded today, and really nicely done:

https://www.flickr.com/photos/130624766@N04/48700448408/

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Posted by Penny Trains on Saturday, September 21, 2019 6:42 PM

The Huletts are one thing.  But what do you think of this:

https://www.cleveland.com/business/2019/07/tower-city-redevelopment-plan-expands-beyond-blockchain.html

It turns this:

into this:

And this:

into this:

I know malls are in trouble these days but is tech progress worth sacrificing our architectural heritage?

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Posted by BaltACD on Saturday, September 21, 2019 8:08 PM

Penny Trains
The Huletts are one thing.  But what do you think of this:

https://www.cleveland.com/business/2019/07/tower-city-redevelopment-plan-expands-beyond-blockchain.html

It turns this:

into this:

And this:

into this:

I know malls are in trouble these days but is tech progress worth sacrificing our architectural heritage?

I think that particular new design has all the warmth of a cat's vomited fur ball.

That being said, one of the problems with commercial buildings built prior to the 1980 is getting sufficient cooling into the buildings for them to remain comfortable for the employees working in them.  At the time their enviornmental systems were designed there was no consideration of the heat that today's office machines (computers, video screens, copiers etc .) generate and pump into the office on a continuing basis.

Worked for several years in the Charles Center building for CSX.  The building was the cornerstone of Baltimore's 'urban renewal' plan of the 1950's.  The building itself was constructed in the early 1960's, one of the 'all conquering' all glass structures of the period - obviously you can't open the windows and all cooling and ventilation must be supplied mechanically.  In the early 80's when I was working in the building - in the summer the office temperatures were in the mid 80's - much too warm; the air conditioning system was not sized to handle the heat output of early 1980's office equipment.  CSX and the building's owners undertook efforts to improve the air conditioning - I got transferred to another building and never experienced the improved system.

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Posted by Penny Trains on Sunday, September 22, 2019 6:38 PM

I forgot to mention that this is Cleveland Union Terminal.

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Posted by BaltACD on Sunday, September 22, 2019 7:10 PM

Penny Trains
I forgot to mention that this is Cleveland Union Terminal.

ie. Terminal Tower.

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