Great news from the UP on the 4014.

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Great news from the UP on the 4014.
Posted by ROBERT WILLISON on Monday, March 05, 2018 5:57 PM

UP seems to be making great progress on thier 4014 and the 844 is back in great firm. Any news about the reading locomotives, the 2100 or the 2102? Either or both would be great to see in 2018!!!

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Posted by Penny Trains on Monday, March 05, 2018 7:44 PM
Here's an excerpt from an email update I got a few days ago from Gordon Hartschuh, ASR Crew Chief for the 2100:
PROJECTS COMPLETED TO DATE
  • Complete - Firebox grate removal
  • Complete - Fire box side sheet cut and removed
  • Complete - The steam throttle is rebuilt and the valves lapped 20160917_171731.jpg 
  • 20160917_161821.jpgComplete - Pressure test steam lubricator output 
  • Complete - The draw-bars, draw-bar pins and keepers were brought inside the roundhouse
  • Complete - Draw-bar assembles to be cleaned up and dye penetration test
  • Complete - The draw-bar pin keeper for the locomotive needed some welding and that was completed.
  • Partial - Inspection of the running gear has been started and will continue.
  • Complete - The dynamo was put on the workbench, cleaned, and tested.
  • Complete - The throttle valves have been machined and the lapping process has started.
  • Complete - The throttle body threads were chased and cleaned
  • Complete - Copper gaskets were installed on the throttle heads ready for reassembly
  • Complete - The throttle linkage installed
  • Complete - A temporary cover was built for the stack
  • Complete - The remaining relief valve port has been capped for the hydro
  • Complete - Main cranks removed from tender and brought inside
  • Complete - Piping and electric cables removed from oil tank, oil tank prepped for removal from coal bunker

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Posted by Boyd on Tuesday, March 06, 2018 12:31 AM

I hope the 4014 comes through Minnesota on one of its tours as I don’t have the money to take a trip to see i. 

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Posted by selector on Tuesday, March 06, 2018 10:21 AM

That list suggests to me we're still at least 12-15 months away from steady steam, which would put it on pace for the original 2019 estimate.

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Posted by Firelock76 on Tuesday, March 06, 2018 5:20 PM

Well thanks so much for that 2100 update Becky, I was curious myself, but when I hear of steam resoration projects I usually push them to the back of my mind with a "It'll be ready when it's ready" attitude and don't think much about them.

2102?  I'm sure that one's moving right along and WILL get done.  Once Andy Muller of the Reading and Northern sets his mind to something it always gets done.

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Posted by Firelock76 on Tuesday, March 06, 2018 5:25 PM

Boyd

I hope the 4014 comes through Minnesota on one of its tours as I don’t have the money to take a trip to see i. 

 

No reason they couldn't, when you come right down to it they could go anywhere on the UP system they wanted to, the main thing is it's a question of clearances, i.e. is there enough room for something that big to operate safely.

I'm reminded of when the UP ran the Challenger on a Clinchfield Santa Train back in the 90's.  Someone on CSX didn't check the clearances as well as they should resulting in some damage to the locomotive.  Nothing that couldn't be fixed, but the UP steam crew were pretty annoyed about it, to say the least.

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Posted by kgbw49 on Tuesday, March 06, 2018 5:46 PM

The Challenger came to Milwaukee and the Twin Cities about 10 years ago. It first visited Milwaukee before leaving for the Twin Cities. However, it could not come across Wisconsin for some reason but instead had to go back down to Chicago, go west on the Overland Route, and then come up the former Rock Island Spine Line.

It ended up going back to Cheyenne via the Omaha Road route from the Twin Cities to Omaha.

That doesn't automagically guarantee the Big Boy can do the same, but we can keep our fingers crossed.

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Posted by SD70Dude on Tuesday, March 06, 2018 10:11 PM

Firelock76

I'm reminded of when the UP ran the Challenger on a Clinchfield Santa Train back in the 90's.  Someone on CSX didn't check the clearances as well as they should resulting in some damage to the locomotive.  Nothing that couldn't be fixed, but the UP steam crew were pretty annoyed about it, to say the least.

UP had an incident on one of their own lines when an excursion met a (fortunately empty) coal train on curved double track that must have been built after the end of articulated steam operation.

The Challenger did not suffer much damage, but the coal cars sure did.  Turns out steel beats aluminium!

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Posted by Shadow the Cats owner on Friday, March 09, 2018 6:10 PM

https://youtu.be/YyJKqbvlNhg 

If you watch this you get an update of everything that has been going on with the 844 4014 and the start of the plans for 3985 including what repairs he is going to do to the 3985 and why he is upset at how she was being taken care of.    He even shows some of the new parts ordered for all 3 including New Drawbars Crossheads wristpins valve guides and other new parts.    He even has the new oil burner with him in the video for the 4014.

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Posted by BaltACD on Saturday, March 10, 2018 8:53 AM

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https://youtu.be/YyJKqbvlNhg 

If you watch this you get an update of everything that has been going on with the 844 4014 and the start of the plans for 3985 including what repairs he is going to do to the 3985 and why he is upset at how she was being taken care of.    He even shows some of the new parts ordered for all 3 including New Drawbars Crossheads wristpins valve guides and other new parts.    He even has the new oil burner with him in the video for the 4014.

The video should be required viewing for all those who are complaining about the time and money it is taking the Western Maryland Scenic Railroad to restore and rebuild the 1309.  You can't go down to Lowe's, Home Depot or Ace Hardware to secure the necessary parts and when it is necessary to manufacture the required parts - not everyone can do it and those that can don't work for free.

         

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Posted by Penny Trains on Saturday, March 10, 2018 6:45 PM

BaltACD
The video should be required viewing for all those who are complaining about the time and money it is taking the Western Maryland Scenic Railroad to restore and rebuild the 1309. You can't go down to Lowe's, Home Depot or Ace Hardware to secure the necessary parts and when it is necessary to manufacture the required parts - not everyone can do it and those that can don't work for free.

Doesn't seem to matter how many times you tell people to use common sense, there's always going to be those who just don't get it.  I think Wesley Snipes said it best in the movie Blade.  "There's always some(body) who tries to skate uphill."

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Posted by Thechief66 on Sunday, March 18, 2018 7:38 AM

I was in Cheyenne yesterday for a shop tour guided by Ed Dickens. The 4014 is completely disassembled at this point, the boiler is sitting on 2 freight car trucks. It's cleaned, patched, and most of the new staybolts are in. Got a good close look at the front engine unit which was completely disassembled cleaned repaired and is getting new lube lines, which evidently are inaccessible when the locomotive is all put together. There's a LOT of work ahead for these guys, but it looks like they're doing it right! Even on a Saturday afternoon there were several men in there working on it.

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Posted by Shadow the Cats owner on Sunday, March 18, 2018 8:20 AM

My hubby has a friend from HS that is on the Steam Crew in Cheyenne.  They got new marching orders from Omaha at the start of the Year.  4014 is to be running by March of next year and screw the budget on OT and Labor costs just get it done was the word from the HQ.  They want her up and running in time for the College World Series so they can show her off there.  

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Posted by Firelock76 on Sunday, March 18, 2018 9:07 AM

Hmmm, there must be some hard-core steam freaks in Omaha!

The thing is, some things can't or shouldn't be rushed.  If it's possible, fine, even great, but Mr. Dickens should remind them that he's not rebuilding 4014 for someone to run next year, but for someone to run 50 years from now. 

The philosophy of "delayed gratification" is a very practical one.

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Posted by Shadow the Cats owner on Sunday, March 18, 2018 10:22 AM

The only trip any of the 3 steam engines is making this year is 844 on the Frontier Days trip beyond that everyday is at Cheyene on 4014 getting her up and running.  Why are they pushing so hard for 4014 to be up next year they announced it 6 years ago that she would be running in 4019 and they are not going to miss that deadline short of a nuclear war per my husbands friend.  

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Posted by Overmod on Sunday, March 18, 2018 10:34 AM

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The thing is, some things can't or shouldn't be rushed. 

Tell that to the folks who rebuilt the carrier in three days during WWII.

Remember faster, better, cheaper, pick any two?  This just rules out cheaper and takes some potential source of slack out of the critical path.  The TQM methodology is unlikely to be compromised in the effort.

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Posted by Firelock76 on Sunday, March 18, 2018 10:55 AM

I knew some guys who were very familiar with the rush "Yorktown" rebuild prior to the Battle of Midway.  Don't kid yourself, it wasn't a total refit, there were a helluva lot of jury-rigs done just to get her back out there again. 

None of which I might add were to blame for the eventual loss of the ship. 

Those same World War Two navy vets told me "You've never seen guys work until you've seen guys work trying to save a ship!"

At any rate, there's no battle outcome depending on the resurrection of 4014, just some corporate embarassment if it isn't ready in time. 

But I'm confident it'll be ready in time for the Golden Spike Sesquicentennial.

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Posted by BaltACD on Sunday, March 18, 2018 10:57 AM

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The only trip any of the 3 steam engines is making this year is 844 on the Frontier Days trip beyond that everyday is at Cheyene on 4014 getting her up and running.  Why are they pushing so hard for 4014 to be up next year they announced it 6 years ago that she would be running in 4019 and they are not going to miss that deadline short of a nuclear war per my husbands friend.  

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Posted by Shadow the Cats owner on Monday, March 19, 2018 7:12 AM

When the Yorktown was repaired in 3 days the goal was combat effective not 100 percent repaired.  She was still down 2 boilers had holes between decks under the hanger bay part of her arresting gear was still in tatters and they had to take survivors from the Lexington and the aircrew from the Saratoga to get her ready for the battle.  She still managed to sink one carrier helped on the Hiryu and was under tow out of the battle area and could have been saved if not for the 2 sub launched torpedos that hit her.  Source for this my own great uncle a crewmember of the Yorktown that was on her at Midway.  He died in 1990 but had told me many times how she was a great ship and never to forget what it costs for our nation to be free.  

 

 

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Posted by Firelock76 on Monday, March 19, 2018 5:05 PM

Well God bless your uncle and his memory, and all his shipmates as well!

And all you folks out there believe me when I say I have nothing but respect for the men and women of todays Navy, and I mean no disrespect to them when I say the following, but the World War Two Navy was the best we ever had!

It was a priviledge to know men that served in it.  What a bunch!

Oh, and I just remembered, there was a kid who worked for my grandfather who joined the Navy when the war came.  He was on the "Yorktown."  He didn't come home.  God rest his soul.

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Posted by Shadow the Cats owner on Monday, March 19, 2018 5:31 PM

My great uncle had 3 ships blown out of the water under him in WW2.  Yorktown at Midway sunk.  He was then transferred to the Wasp she was sunk near the Canal. His third one was the Hornet at Santa Cruz she was sunk.  After coming home after losing the Hornet he was put onboard the Essex and served out the rest of the war in safety as he put it.  We never lost an Essex class in combat they got hit but not one was ever sunk in combat.  Why he was put on the Wasp was he was considered a crack shot on the 40mm Bofors AA guns and after the attacks at Midway he was in High demand.  

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Posted by Firelock76 on Monday, March 19, 2018 5:59 PM

Good Lord. 

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Posted by erikem on Tuesday, March 20, 2018 12:51 AM

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When the Yorktown was repaired in 3 days the goal was combat effective not 100 percent repaired.

That's pretty much what I understood, Nimitz and his staff thought that an incompletely repaired Yorktown was worth more in batle than it would have been sitting at Pearl. Nimitz had to pull quite a few tricks just to be able to get the ships to Midway, as Washington had other ideas. Unfortunately, Joe Rochefort found out that no good deed goes unpunised.

I suspect many a steam locomotive was put in service with Yorktown repair jobs, especially during the height of WW2. With a year to go and an experienced and well equipped steam crew, I don't see the 4014 becoming a Yorktown repair job, though there may be some work needed to be done afer May 10, 2019.

FWIW, Midway was the first major victory for the US in the war, though Coral Sea was considered to have been slightly in favor of the USN over the IJN. Both the USN and IJN lost a lot of carrier power in the final two carrier battles of 1942, with the next and last carrier battle in 1944's Battle of the Philipine's sea, A.K.A. Marianas Turkey Shoot.

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Posted by kgbw49 on Sunday, March 25, 2018 11:37 PM

Shadow, that is one heck of an example of The Greatest Generation!

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Posted by 54light15 on Monday, March 26, 2018 5:30 PM

Wasn't Midway the El Alamein of the Pacific? Winston said, "Before Alamein, we never had a victory, after Alamein, we never had a defeat." 

But, it sure sounds like the UP isn't screwing around! 

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Posted by CSSHEGEWISCH on Tuesday, March 27, 2018 7:21 AM

I wouldn't go quite that far on several counts.  While El Alamein was a major victory for the Imperial Army, it was more of a milepost than a turning point.  Midway and Guadalcanal together were turning points for the Allies in the Pacific.

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Posted by Shadow the Cats owner on Tuesday, March 27, 2018 7:36 AM

At Midway we sank 4 of their carriers along with 1 heavy cruiser which cost us 1 carrier the Yorktown and one Destroyer.  We at the time had 30 carriers under construction at the time.  The Japanese had 6 more under consturction.  Then at The Canal as it became to be known our surface fleet learned in a hurry how to fight and win night engagements with the Japanese Navy leading up to the Battle with the Kirashima and the USS South Dakota and Washington Slugfest of a battle.  Also our logistics planners and cargo loaders learned that you better have the ships ready for combat unloading in a hurry on the beach.

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Posted by Dug Fin on Sunday, April 08, 2018 11:39 AM

And just how long do you expect the UP Board to remain with it's current attiude on steam? Wait long enough and the plug will get pulled.

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Posted by Shadow the Cats owner on Sunday, April 08, 2018 6:12 PM

They have been for the most part Pro Steam for almost 60 years non stop with excursions.  They have never been 100 percent dieselized since 844 was never retired ever from the active roster in her life.  They know what part history plays in their public image and take great pains to protect it.  They created a dedicated funding stream to keep their heritage program running when they started licensing requirements for their Trademarks on models.  You may not think that is much money but it adds up fast.  This is according to our friend in the program.  They get enough from those license deals that they generate on average 4 million dollars a year for the Maintance and repair of the Steam Engines Heritage Diesels and Passenger Car Fleets that the UP has.  That is in addition to the budget they get from Omaha to spend each year.  4 Million bucks to buy whatever they need in parts tools equipment.  

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Posted by ROBERT WILLISON on Monday, April 09, 2018 9:07 AM

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They have been for the most part Pro Steam for almost 60 years non stop with excursions.  They have never been 100 percent dieselized since 844 was never retired ever from the active roster in her life.  They know what part history plays in their public image and take great pains to protect it.  They created a dedicated funding stream to keep their heritage program running when they started licensing requirements for their Trademarks on models.  You may not think that is much money but it adds up fast.  This is according to our friend in the program.  They get enough from those license deals that they generate on average 4 million dollars a year for the Maintance and repair of the Steam Engines Heritage Diesels and Passenger Car Fleets that the UP has.  That is in addition to the budget they get from Omaha to spend each year.  4 Million bucks to buy whatever they need in parts tools equipment.  

 

. Great response!!!!  With the steam program on the Verge of reaching it's pinnicle, I don't see the union pacific pulling any plugs.

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