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News Wire: Arbiter awards steam locomotive owner $200,000

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Posted by Brian Schmidt on Monday, February 13, 2017 2:14 PM

Mid-Continent Railway Museum must also foot the bill for relocating Saginaw Timber 2-8-2 No. 2 anywhere in the continental U.S.

http://trn.trains.com/news/news-wire/2017/02/13-saginaw-timber-wins

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Posted by ROBERT WILLISON on Monday, February 13, 2017 3:46 PM

What a crazy dispute, with huge implication for the folks at mcrm. 

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Posted by BaltACD on Monday, February 13, 2017 7:54 PM

Sounds like the Mid-Continent folks were playing fast and loose in their 'attempts' to comply with agreements they participated in and then tried to hide behind the lack of a 'warrenty' for a near 100 year old steam locomotive.  Too many lawyers spoils the steam engine.

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Posted by samfp1943 on Monday, February 13, 2017 8:05 PM

BaltACD

Sounds like the Mid-Continent folks were playing fast and loose in their 'attempts' to comply with agreements they participated in and then tried to hide behind the lack of a 'warrenty' for a near 100 year old steam locomotive.  Too many lawyers spoils the steam engine.

 

             It certainly seems as if the MCRM is "going to learn a pretty expensive lesson!"...

      Reading between the lines, it sounds as if there was a clash of Intramural Ego's, spiced with a little "...My Lawyer Can Whip Your Lawyer..." Too many Hobbiest Clubs and in particuLAR, Rail Road and Rail Fan organizations are caught up in tangles of ego's and intellectual positions { That may be an Oxy-Moron??} that disolve in a struggle for control and ultimately, bring down the whole organization... I really hate that, the MCRM  has a really good record and was a great place to visit, in the past.

 

Sam

 

 


 

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Posted by ROBERT WILLISON on Saturday, February 18, 2017 5:15 PM

samfp1943

 

 
BaltACD

Sounds like the Mid-Continent folks were playing fast and loose in their 'attempts' to comply with agreements they participated in and then tried to hide behind the lack of a 'warrenty' for a near 100 year old steam locomotive.  Too many lawyers spoils the steam engine.

 

 

 

             It certainly seems as if the MCRM is "going to learn a pretty expensive lesson!"...

      Reading between the lines, it sounds as if there was a clash of Intramural Ego's, spiced with a little "...My Lawyer Can Whip Your Lawyer..." Too many Hobbiest Clubs and in particuLAR, Rail Road and Rail Fan organizations are caught up in tangles of ego's and intellectual positions { That may be an Oxy-Moron??} that disolve in a struggle for control and ultimately, bring down the whole organization... I really hate that, the MCRM  has a really good record and was a great place to visit, in the past.

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Posted by zugmann on Saturday, February 18, 2017 6:40 PM

Makes you wonder if anyone will be eager to give the engine a home.  Even if the museum was 100% at fault - that engine has the stink of legal action on her. 

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Posted by Leo_Ames on Saturday, February 18, 2017 6:57 PM

I think most that know something about the story behind this, aren't going to hold it against the owner of the locomotive. The museum's current management really missed the ball on this one and it's going to hurt them far more than it does the locomotive's owner.

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Posted by Falcon48 on Tuesday, February 21, 2017 8:49 PM

I want to make the same point I made on the RPYN website.  It's fairly useless to bloviate about who is at fault or whatever in this situation without knowing the underlying facts.  Rather than speculating about this, does anyone have a copy of the arbitration award that can be posted for all to see and draw their own conclusions?  I've been an arbitrator in other railroad disputes and the awards in these cases didn't leave any doubt of the arbitrators' reasons for a particular outcome.  

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Posted by motorcycle railfan on Monday, February 27, 2017 6:29 PM

As a life member of MCRM it pains me that things came to this. In the end I think things were settied as they should have been. It's a shame as MCRM has it's mandate of a period when only steam was available and they blew the chance to bring steam back in 2016. My best wishes to Skip and engine #2 n the future.

 

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