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Breese & kneeland 4-4-0, Elpaso No. 1

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Breese & kneeland 4-4-0, Elpaso No. 1
Posted by Mitch71 on Friday, July 27, 2012 10:02 AM

I'm trying to determine if Elpaso & Southwestern No. 1 might be the loco that appears in an 1880s photo I have showing a 4-4-0 in front of the McFarland House in McFarland, WI.  No. 1 was owned by the Milwaukee and Mississippi Rwy and ran in WI before going to the E&SW.  Everything appears to match except the distance between centers of the drivers...No. 1 drivers appear closer together.

Was driver spacing adjustable on these engines?  

I can send pics if need.

Thank you.

Tmitch

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Posted by Anonymous on Saturday, July 28, 2012 12:58 AM

Wikipedia tells you a little bit about the history of this loco:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/El_Paso_%26_Southwestern_Railroad_No._1

It is most unlikely that driver spacing was adjustable. In fact, I have never heard of a steam loco having adjustable driver spacing.

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Posted by tdmidget on Sunday, July 29, 2012 8:03 PM

And according to Wikipedia, this tea kettle weighs more than ATSF 3473.

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Posted by Beach Bill on Tuesday, August 7, 2012 4:30 PM

Can you post the photo in question?   Pretty hard to make a comparison when one doesn't know what they are comparing to....

The ElPaso & Southwestern #1, going from photos in the musuem link, is pretty distinctive in terms of having the rear axles positioned rather far to the rear of the locomotive.   While there are instances of folks taking the boiler off of one locomotive and placing it upon a different frame, re-positioning the bearings on an existing frame would be a complex (expensive, time-consuming, difficult) task, and all of the "balance" of the driver counterweights would have to be changed as well.

Bill

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Posted by Mitch71 on Tuesday, August 7, 2012 6:04 PM

4-4-0 "American type." Circa 1880s.  McFarland House, McFarland, Wisconsin.

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Posted by Mitch71 on Tuesday, August 7, 2012 6:12 PM

Thanks.

I tried to post a photo. I don't think it made it.  Not sure how to get into the forum.

Ive come to the conclusion that e&sw isn't the one in my photo.  Although, I do believe it had to have passed through based on the Steam and Cinders book stating No. 1 pulled the Madison to Rockford passenger.  The loco in my photo is probably from the New York Locomotive Works.

Ill keep trying with the photo.

 

Tjm

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