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CSX derailment in East Rochester NY
Posted by cr6479 on Tuesday, January 16, 2007 9:40 PM
CSX has just derailed in East Rochester NY near CP 362. It does not look good. Report are  still coming in. As far as i know train cars or cars are traped under the derail cars. More reports are to come. Stay tune for updates. Make that 3 derailments in a row.
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Posted by SchemerBob on Tuesday, January 16, 2007 9:53 PM

All I can say is

WHHHHHHAAAAAAAAATTTT!!

Three wrecks in a row and 2 on one day! What's wrong with them? Any newspapers have it on their websites yet?

Speaking of the wrecks, they mentioned the one in Louisville very briefly on ABC's World News Tonight this evening. It wasn't very much, but at least it made the news. I think CSX needs to be penalized or something. Wreck once, warning. Wreck twice, a ticket. Wreck the third time and YOU ARE IN TROUBLE! Smile,Wink, & Grin [swg]Smile,Wink, & Grin [swg] Seriously, though, have any "chain-reactions" of wrecks on just one railroad happened like this before?

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Posted by cr6479 on Tuesday, January 16, 2007 10:00 PM
No not yet. Go to watch the 11:00 news so i can give you guys an update.
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Posted by cr6479 on Tuesday, January 16, 2007 10:13 PM
UPDATE!!! It was a westbound intermoble train out of Syracuse. Cars were crashed after the containers fell off a bridge. People are with out power. Stay tune for more updates as they come in.
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Posted by cr6479 on Tuesday, January 16, 2007 10:31 PM
Second Update. All trains heading east or westbound will be using EC1 form speed down to 30 MPH. Huge cleanup and the hasmat crews are on the sceen.
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Posted by beaulieu on Tuesday, January 16, 2007 10:50 PM
What is it they say about bad things coming in threes.
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Posted by Datafever on Tuesday, January 16, 2007 10:59 PM
This will be a public relations nightmare for CSX, but also for all railroads.  Even if all three are shown to be "unavoidable" (and we already know that the first one was definitely avoidable), those with legislative power will feel the need to "fix the problem".
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Posted by cr6479 on Tuesday, January 16, 2007 11:19 PM
 SchemerBob wrote:

All I can say is

WHHHHHHAAAAAAAAATTTT!!

Three wrecks in a row and 2 on one day! What's wrong with them? Any newspapers have it on their websites yet?

Speaking of the wrecks, they mentioned the one in Louisville very briefly on ABC's World News Tonight this evening. It wasn't very much, but at least it made the news. I think CSX needs to be penalized or something. Wreck once, warning. Wreck twice, a ticket. Wreck the third time and YOU ARE IN TROUBLE! Smile,Wink, & Grin [swg]Smile,Wink, & Grin [swg] Seriously, though, have any "chain-reactions" of wrecks on just one railroad happened like this before?

One railroad comes to mind. It was green had so many problems that NYC took it over. It showed all railroads HOW NOT to run a railroad and the name is PC or PENNCENTRAL!!!

 

 

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Posted by skerber on Wednesday, January 17, 2007 5:39 AM
Wow!  I cannot believe it.  At least this time it isn't in my state.
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Posted by JoeKoh on Wednesday, January 17, 2007 7:19 AM

local station was already doing what if reports about local yards for csx and ns last night on the news. stay safe

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Posted by cr6479 on Wednesday, January 17, 2007 12:11 PM
Another Update with video. www.rnews.com   has it. All eastbound trains were going on the westshore line. Their still more UPDATES to come as i hear my scanner is going off the hook.
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Posted by cr6479 on Wednesday, January 17, 2007 3:33 PM

It is an unclear if their is fourth derailment in the area that i am hearing on my scanner. Stay tune for more UPDATES as they come in.

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Posted by PBenham on Wednesday, January 17, 2007 3:57 PM
Perhaps they will start to maintain the trackage. Dunce [D)] Naaah! The old NYC main is closing in on being as bad as it was back in (UGH!)Disapprove [V] 1975, dare I say. Yard trackage is getting worse every week. Trains are rocking while in Frontier yard, which is a poor sign of things to come if they don't do some thing soon. We had a bad one (BUT no one was hurt) when CSX dumped Q626 at CP433 while trying to leave from the north side a few weeks back, another piece of luck was that the worst car was carrying canned veggies.Whistling [:-^] That's better than, say, PVC or Chlorine, both of which run through here every day in nearly every train that is not an intermodal.
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Posted by cr6479 on Wednesday, January 17, 2007 4:01 PM
Their is not a fourth derailment in the area. Thank GOD for that. CSX is getting worse evry day. Just like PENNCENRAL railroad!!!!!
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Posted by cr6479 on Wednesday, January 17, 2007 8:29 PM

Here is another website www.wroctv.com. It shows and talks about the the train derailments and yes rail fans.

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Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, January 17, 2007 10:14 PM
I work as a yardmaster for one of the top 5 railroads. I personally am surprised we don't have more incidents. I know from expericence how easy it is to put cars on the ground!!
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Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, January 17, 2007 10:32 PM

All of these derailments.

Makes me think that there might be a possibility of enemy action.

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Posted by KCSfan on Thursday, January 18, 2007 2:10 AM

It would be interesting to see some statistics on mainline derailments per ton-mile of freight carried. Exclude those ocurring within yard limits that happen frequently but because of the low speeds involved rarely present a serious danger to the public health and welfare. I'd bet the CSX would top the list of all the Class I roads but that's just a gut feeling that could be confirmed by some meaningful comparative measurement.

Another interesting statistic would be a comparison of mainline derailments to $ per mile spent on track maintenance. Common sense tells me there is a correlation between the two. Here again I think the CSX would prove to have the worst record. We are all aware of the scathing FRA report on CSX track conditions that was issued two or three years ago. In all fairness to them, I believe CSX has upped their track maintenance expenditures since then but is still far from catching up with the maintenance that they formerly deferred.

Spend some time reading the messages posted on the CSX Sucks website and you can't help but feel that employee morale is at a low point. There's a wide gap between the lofty goals espoused by management and the working conditions and practices that affect the daily lives and welfare of CSX employees. Instinctively I feel a disgruntled and poorly motivated workforce plays a significant role in the CSX safety record. By comparison on my little old Kansas City Southern most employees are working in concert with management to achieve commonly shared goals and the railroad runs very well as a result.

CSX it's time to wake up and remember the biblical admonition, You shall reap what you sow. The results of short term bottom line dictated management are showing up - almost daily now it seems.

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Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, January 18, 2007 7:35 AM

Employee morale is about the same at every Class I railroad!

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Posted by nbrodar on Thursday, January 18, 2007 9:37 AM

 carrieanne wrote:
I work as a yardmaster for one of the top 5 railroads. I personally am surprised we don't have more incidents. I know from expericence how easy it is to put cars on the ground!!

First off, it's easy to cover them up in the yard.  Because for the most part, they are out of the public eye, and don't explode.   I can rerail a car using a railroad tie, some wedges, and the frog of a turnout.

Second, you'd be surprised how difficult it can be to derail a car.  It can also incredibly easy.

And yes, employee moral is pretty much the same with the four major US roads.  Don't believe everything you read on CSX-Sucks.  Very little of the it is outright false, but some parts are more true the others.

It is true, CSX's policy of cost-containment is finally coming back to haunt it.  Both it's rolling stock and infrastructure are worn out.  Even the new, and well maintained stuff from Conrail, has been beat down.  I once had a CSX employee tell me with a straight face, that Conrail overmaintained it track.  Gee maybe that's because Conrail ran a high-speed heavy duty railroad, and CSX still runs like a backhills coal hauler.

For those of you that are baseball fans...Conrail was the NY Yankees, and CSX is the Kansas City Royals.  - My appologies to any Royals fans.

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Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, January 18, 2007 11:46 AM
 KCSfan wrote:

It would be interesting to see some statistics on mainline derailments per ton-mile of freight carried. Exclude those ocurring within yard limits that happen frequently but because of the low speeds involved rarely present a serious danger to the public health and welfare. I'd bet the CSX would top the list of all the Class I roads but that's just a gut feeling that could be confirmed by some meaningful comparative measurement.

Another interesting statistic would be a comparison of mainline derailments to $ per mile spent on track maintenance. Common sense tells me there is a correlation between the two. Here again I think the CSX would prove to have the worst record. We are all aware of the scathing FRA report on CSX track conditions that was issued two or three years ago.

 

 

It would be interesting to see that info. Too bad not even Trains mag could get the strait dope out of CSX's books if it tried. I'd imagine with the swell of derailment related liability growing, the true figures on that are locked away.

 

I'm just waiting to hear CSX's excuse on why all those years of deferred maintenance (so that stockholder dividends could be fat) should now be corrected at taxpayer expense. I expect the reasoning to be a loo loo.

 

What I'd be real interested in knowing is, of these latest series of derailmants (forgetting the run away, of course), is how many have happened on vital mainlines versus  on out of the way backwater spurs and the sort?

 

CSX keeps the mainline through Garrett around here looking pretty shiny. So it would be hard to say they neglect it. So priority likely plays a factor

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Posted by vsmith on Thursday, January 18, 2007 11:58 AM
CSX = Crash, Stop & Xplode Disapprove [V]

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Posted by Datafever on Thursday, January 18, 2007 11:58 AM
I thought that all incidents, such as derailments, were reported to the FRA (or maybe the STB).  I understand that minor yard derailments may not get reported.  But statistics should be available.
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Posted by cr6479 on Thursday, January 18, 2007 12:43 PM

I will keep you guys posted on the derailment. The intermoble was go 60mph when it derailed. That is far as i know and more UPDATES to come on this derailment.

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Posted by Datafever on Thursday, January 18, 2007 2:13 PM

 Datafever wrote:
I thought that all incidents, such as derailments, were reported to the FRA (or maybe the STB).  I understand that minor yard derailments may not get reported.  But statistics should be available.

For those interested in train safety statistics, here is a link to the home page of the FRA Office of Safety Analysis.  Stats galore! 

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Posted by zardoz on Thursday, January 18, 2007 2:46 PM

 cr6479 wrote:
Another Update with video. http://www.rnews.com/   has it. All eastbound trains were going on the westshore line. Their still more UPDATES to come as i hear my scanner is going off the hook.

Did you read the statement by the CSX spokesperson from the site linked above?  "When we come up with a cause this is something we are going to learn from, this is something we will implement across our 22,000 miles of track that we operate. So we take these things very seriously," said Maurice O'Connell, spokesperson for CSX. How's that for a line of BS?  Good to know that they take derailments seriously; I was sure they really held a party each time it happened.

There's more: "That gives us information about the speed of the train, gives us information about the horn, was the horn sounded and also gives us information about the braking system on the train," said O'Connell.   Yes, better check that horn!

Sigh [sigh]

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Posted by nbrodar on Thursday, January 18, 2007 11:01 PM

 Datafever wrote:
I thought that all incidents, such as derailments, were reported to the FRA (or maybe the STB).  I understand that minor yard derailments may not get reported.  But statistics should be available.

There's a dollar threshold for reporting to the FRA.  If the damage and wrecking costs are less then a certain amount it's non-reportable.  However, if there's a HAZMAT release it's automatically reportable.

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Posted by al-in-chgo on Friday, January 19, 2007 12:45 AM

Sigh [sigh]

You know, all these crashes don't seem to have hurt CSX's share price much.  Which leads me to wonder about whether the public is picking up on these multiple tragedies.

Usually, the (general) principle is that investors overreact to bad news about their company .  .  .    I don't want to scare people but I wonder if better and more news reporting would have given the public jitters, the shareholders wrath, and CSX management a real headache.  The deaths have occured, but I do feel management still needs to wake up and do the right thing, especially repairing places on the system that are agreed to be in terrible shape.

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Posted by skerber on Friday, January 19, 2007 6:36 AM
In Kentucky the first two accidents made the news with comments on talk radio like: they better start getting their act together.
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Posted by trainfan1221 on Friday, January 19, 2007 11:50 AM
 cr6479 wrote:
 SchemerBob wrote:

All I can say is

WHHHHHHAAAAAAAAATTTT!!

Three wrecks in a row and 2 on one day! What's wrong with them? Any newspapers have it on their websites yet?

Speaking of the wrecks, they mentioned the one in Louisville very briefly on ABC's World News Tonight this evening. It wasn't very much, but at least it made the news. I think CSX needs to be penalized or something. Wreck once, warning. Wreck twice, a ticket. Wreck the third time and YOU ARE IN TROUBLE! Smile,Wink, & Grin [swg]Smile,Wink, & Grin [swg] Seriously, though, have any "chain-reactions" of wrecks on just one railroad happened like this before?

One railroad comes to mind. It was green had so many problems that NYC took it over. It showed all railroads HOW NOT to run a railroad and the name is PC or PENNCENTRAL!!!

 

 

Not that I disagree that Penn Central certainly was a leader in the field of derailments, as well as break downs and other sorts of problems, but it wasn't taken over by NYC..it was what used to be NYC.  I'm guessing this was just a typo.

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