CN should do Heritage units

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Posted by railfanespee4449 on Thursday, December 21, 2006 7:41 PM

Here goes- I hope I don't offend anyone

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Posted by Andrew Falconer on Thursday, December 21, 2006 11:24 PM

The concept for the Grand Trunk Western Scheme is great start.

Try seperating the Olive Green and the Blue with a graphic shape in yellow to add a visual dynamic, similar to the seperating feather on the UP-WP Heritage unit.

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Posted by WSOR 3801 on Saturday, December 23, 2006 3:18 AM

One or the other, please, especially on the GT unit.  The UP messed it all up.

There are still a few ex-MILW units around, still patched.  The 20-year old black paint is starting to wash off.  CP was thinking about redoing a GP40 back into MILW colors.  Nothing ever came of it.  Darn shame.Angry [:(!]

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Posted by KBCpresident on Saturday, December 23, 2006 12:46 PM
OH GET A LIFE. I think that railfanespee4449's heritage units look great. If only we could somehow get CN to actually paint ANY locos in the said paint schemes.Sigh [sigh]

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Posted by EJE818 on Monday, December 25, 2006 6:14 PM
I don't know if these are considered heritage engines, but CN does have the IC E9s. Personally, I'd like it if they got the old orange and black passenger colors, but they are fine the way they are. Hopefully they don't repaint them into the same scheme the other E9s wear. I doubt CN is doing to do any heritage engines. At least we got the UP heritage engines and NS will soon have Southern painted Fs plus 4610. It would be nice if every class one did heritage engines, especially CN.
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Posted by KBCpresident on Monday, December 25, 2006 6:21 PM
I agree. One question though... whats 4610?

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Posted by Datafever on Tuesday, December 26, 2006 3:59 AM

 KBCpresident wrote:
I agree. One question though... whats 4610?

NS 4610 is a colorful commemorative "Southern" paint scheme as seen here

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Posted by KBCpresident on Tuesday, December 26, 2006 8:06 PM
Thanks! Now 2 railroads have heritage units.Smile [:)] Did Norfolk southern paint it that way or did they just not RE paint it?

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Posted by Andrew Falconer on Wednesday, December 27, 2006 12:07 AM

That is a Commmemorative Paint Scheme on an EMD built GP59 in the late 1980's commissioned by Norfolk Southern to honor a long time employee. I forgot his name.

The Canadian National could have one of their new locomotives painted or decaled with four logos on the long hood:    CN    CV    GT   DWP 

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Posted by Datafever on Wednesday, December 27, 2006 12:52 AM

 KBCpresident wrote:
Thanks! Now 2 railroads have heritage units.Smile [:)] Did Norfolk southern paint it that way or did they just not RE paint it?

It is my understanding that 4610 wore standard NS colors from the time it was built in '89 until it was repainted with the current scheme in 1994 to commemorate the 100th anniversary of Southern Railway. 

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Posted by EJE818 on Wednesday, December 27, 2006 10:14 AM
I say CN should do a WC painted SD70M-2 and give it the lightning stripe like the OLS SD45s have. I also think a orange and black IC painted SD70M-2 would look pretty nice. Lets not forget DM&IR and B&LE. A maroon and gold DM&IR painted SD70M-2 would look pretty nice. Concerning NS, lets not forget they bought the former RailCruise America Fs and are planning to repaint them into Southern colors. I don't really know what paint schemes would be good for GTW and DWP heritage engines since their paint schemes are almost exactly alike.
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Posted by KBCpresident on Wednesday, December 27, 2006 1:06 PM

 EJE818 wrote:
I say CN should do a WC painted SD70M-2 and give it the lightning stripe like the OLS SD45s have. I also think a orange and black IC painted SD70M-2 would look pretty nice. Lets not forget DM&IR and B&LE. A maroon and gold DM&IR painted SD70M-2 would look pretty nice. Concerning NS, lets not forget they bought the former RailCruise America Fs and are planning to repaint them into Southern colors. I don't really know what paint schemes would be good for GTW and DWP heritage engines since their paint schemes are almost exactly alike.

HERE HERECaptain [4:-)] and the two paint schemes are alike if you take off the noodles!

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Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, December 27, 2006 6:13 PM

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CP was talking about having heritage units back in the 1990s. One was supposed to be D&H, but it seems they only have heritage locomotives with the old CPR scheme around.

They do keep at least one unit still painted in the D&H lightning scheme.

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Posted by coborn35 on Wednesday, December 27, 2006 10:11 PM

Well I designed this baby a year or so ago but I think she would look very sharp.

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Posted by KBCpresident on Monday, January 1, 2007 9:35 PM
Great! Now between you and V we have a good deal of heritag units.

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Posted by Andrew Falconer on Friday, January 5, 2007 10:47 PM

While we are remaking the Grand Trunk Western scheme it is a great time to finally add the W to the GT logo so it is finally a GTW logo.

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Posted by KBCpresident on Saturday, January 6, 2007 10:51 AM
okay...Confused [%-)]

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Posted by SD70Dude on Tuesday, September 8, 2020 4:34 PM

Since this thread was entertaining and I don't really like starting new ones, I'll resurrect it.

This just rolled out of the paint shop at Progress Rail in Tacoma.  Better late than never:

http://www.rrpicturearchives.net/showPicture.aspx?id=5395658&fbclid=IwAR1XIsu_ZYDqetfnbWxuG2G46jHVmChsy4y6OsEovrB1lYham_TAXzmBlGA

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Posted by adkrr64 on Tuesday, September 8, 2020 4:48 PM

SD70Dude
Since this thread was entertaining and I don't really like starting new ones, I'll resurrect it.

This just rolled out of the paint shop at Progress Rail in Tacoma.  Better late than never:

http://www.rrpicturearchives.net/showPicture.aspx?id=5395658&fbclid=IwAR1XIsu_ZYDqetfnbWxuG2G46jHVmChsy4y6OsEovrB1lYham_TAXzmBlGA

Looks like it forgot to duck when going under a low bridge. 

Are those colors representative of a heritage RR in CN? Is so, which one?

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Posted by Miningman on Tuesday, September 8, 2020 6:47 PM

Yes it is.

...whaddya mean which one .. Canadian National Railway ... those are the colours, green and gold, of their first generation Diesels until replaced by the CN noodle on black and red-orange trim with white striping. 

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Posted by SD70Dude on Tuesday, September 8, 2020 7:28 PM

This was completely unexpected, and I'm thrilled to see new yard power and any sort of CN heritage unit, but the modeller/rivet counter in me is struggling to get out.

It's the pre-1961 scheme, but the green is off and the "Canadian National" lettering should be black.  The yellow looks pretty close to being right, but it could be off a tad. 

Historically, CN used a olive green that was very similar to the ubiquitous "Pullman Green" used on countless passenger cars, if not the same.

This most closely resembles the colours used by the Prairie Dog Central tourist railway on one of their GP9's:

https://www.flickr.com/photos/mtlwestrailfan/29395338960

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Posted by Miningman on Tuesday, September 8, 2020 7:49 PM

Two views of three brand new units 1582-1585-1583 at Bathurst Street Yard. 

There are a zillion or so pics of CNR green and gold out there.

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Posted by zugmann on Tuesday, September 8, 2020 7:53 PM

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This just rolled out of the paint shop at Progress Rail in Tacoma.  Better late than never:

Such a cute little slug.  

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Posted by traisessive1 on Thursday, September 10, 2020 8:51 AM

Why would they paint a booster? They're scrapping these things left and right in Winnipeg. Why would they paint a booster that won't leave the yard? This thing won't be roaming the system. 

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Posted by SD60MAC9500 on Thursday, September 10, 2020 10:25 AM
 

Responding to the earlier posters.. There's still GT painted units running around. Don't see a reason for a GT heritage unit.. 

 
 
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Posted by SD70Dude on Thursday, September 10, 2020 1:30 PM

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Why would they paint a booster? They're scrapping these things left and right in Winnipeg. Why would they paint a booster that won't leave the yard? This thing won't be roaming the system. 

Info from reliable sources on the Loconotes group states that CN sent two slugs and two standard cab GP38-2's to be rebuilt, probably to some sort of Dash-3 specs.  They will be renumbered 7600-7601 and 600-601. 

One of the Edmonton (Walker) shop guys has mentioned on Facebook that several of our dead line slugs are supposed to be sent away for rebuilding. 

I'm hoping that this is the start of a large yard power rebuilding program, but I'm not holding my breath. 

The special paintjob came as a complete surprise, and I too have no idea why they picked a slug.  Hopefully this is also the start of something much bigger.

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Posted by SD60MAC9500 on Thursday, September 10, 2020 2:22 PM

SD70Dude

 

 
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Why would they paint a booster? They're scrapping these things left and right in Winnipeg. Why would they paint a booster that won't leave the yard? This thing won't be roaming the system. 

 

 

Info from reliable sources on the Loconotes group states that CN sent two slugs and two standard cab GP38-2's to be rebuilt, probably to some sort of Dash-3 specs.  They will be renumbered 7600-7601 and 600-601. 

One of the Edmonton (Walker) shop guys has mentioned on Facebook that several of our dead line slugs are supposed to be sent away for rebuilding. 

I'm hoping that this is the start of a large yard power rebuilding program, but I'm not holding my breath. 

The special paintjob came as a complete surprise, and I too have no idea why they picked a slug.  Hopefully this is also the start of something much bigger.

 

SD70Dude, Sounds like you guys are really short on 4 axle power. What happened?

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Posted by SD70Dude on Thursday, September 10, 2020 2:40 PM

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SD70Dude, Sounds like you guys are really short on 4 axle power. What happened?

Age, wrecks, locomotive sales, and many years of indecision. 

CN rebuilt hundreds of low horsepower units during the 1980s and 90s to partial Dash-2 specs.  The official names for the rebuilds add a "RM" suffix onto the original model name, they include the GP9RM, GMD1RM, FP9RM (for VIA Rail), SW1200RM, SW1200RSRM, and SD40RM. 

Since then no new 4 axle units have been purchased or rebuilt, and heavy overhauls have been minimal.  Many older locomotives were sold off during the Hunter Harrison era, in particular the GP40 fleet was reduced from nearly 300 to only about 40 or 50 units, and many of those 'RM' rebuilds were retired. 

The GP9RM's and GP38-2's still form the backbone of our yard fleet, and it has been at least 30 years since any of them were built or rebuilt.  Heavy yard switching takes its toll, as does being operated via Beltpak by employees without much experience, and many units have been lost to accidents or accumulated frame damage from all the years of rough treatment. 

The upper echelons of the Company have ignored this impending major problem for many years, just as they ignored the impending mass retirement of many senior employees in the mid-late 2000s.  Things finally came to a head a couple years ago, and they started leasing a bunch of 4 axle units from GATX. 

More and more 6 axle units have been shifted into yard service over the past 5 years, all the SD40RM's seem to have been equipped with Beltpak, as have some SD40-2W's, the ex-Northern Alberta SD38-2's, and even some ex-Oakway SD60's, though most of those are kept in the U.S. as they are also equipped with PTC. 

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Posted by BaltACD on Thursday, September 10, 2020 3:03 PM

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SD70Dude, Sounds like you guys are really short on 4 axle power. What happened? 

Age, wrecks, locomotive sales, and many years of indecision. 

CN rebuilt hundreds of low horsepower units during the 1980s and 90s to partial Dash-2 specs.  The official names for the rebuilds add a "RM" suffix onto the original model name, they include the GP9RM, GMD1RM, FP9RM (for VIA Rail), SW1200RM, SW1200RSRM, and SD40RM. 

Since then no new 4 axle units have been purchased or rebuilt, and heavy overhauls have been minimal.  Many older locomotives were sold off during the Hunter Harrison era, in particular the GP40 fleet was reduced from nearly 300 to only about 40 or 50 units, and many of those 'RM' rebuilds were retired. 

The GP9RM's and GP38-2's still form the backbone of our yard fleet, and it has been at least 30 years since any of them were built or rebuilt.  Heavy yard switching takes its toll, as does being operated via Beltpak by employees without much experience, and many units have been lost to accidents or accumulated frame damage from all the years of rough treatment. 

The upper echelons of the Company have ignored this impending major problem for many years, just as they ignored the impending mass retirement of many senior employees in the mid-late 2000s.  Things finally came to a head a couple years ago, and they started leasing a bunch of 4 axle units from GATX. 

More and more 6 axle units have been shifted into yard service over the past 5 years, all the SD40RM's seem to have been equipped with Beltpak, as have some SD40-2W's, the ex-Northern Alberta SD38-2's, and even some ex-Oakway SD60's, though most of those are kept in the U.S. as they are also equipped with PTC. 

Very few 4 axles have been build by any manufacturer in the 21st Century for any carrier in North America.  Feature the shortage will soon strike all carriers as most followed EHH's game plan for PSR and putting invested capital into the hands of the shareholders..

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Posted by adkrr64 on Thursday, September 10, 2020 4:39 PM

Is there anything about 6 axle units that make them inherently unsuited to yard work?

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