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Posted by rrnut282 on Tuesday, July 12, 2022 4:08 PM

What is unusual about that?  Try finding a canoe rental place that takes you downstream to start.  

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Posted by Overmod on Saturday, July 9, 2022 9:37 AM

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Notice they are running from Frostburg DOWNHILL.

Larry, I think you may have missed the joke on 'starting up' a ride on the Western Maryland Scenic vs. a ride that starts on the WSM by going downhill.
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Posted by tree68 on Saturday, July 9, 2022 6:41 AM

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Notice they are running from Frostburg DOWNHILL.

We don't allow our riders that option.  And the profile is far from flat.  In fact, the last portion of their return trip is uphill...  And their route includes the "Camel's Hump," which is at about 1% both ways up to the peak.

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Posted by BaltACD on Friday, July 8, 2022 10:25 PM

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A ride on the Western Maryland Scenic is starting up.

Rail Bike Tours in Frostburg, MD | Tracks & Yaks (tracksandyaks.com)

Notice they are running from Frostburg DOWNHILL.

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Posted by mvlandsw on Friday, July 8, 2022 10:05 PM

A ride on the Western Maryland Scenic is starting up.

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Posted by tree68 on Friday, July 8, 2022 10:50 AM

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I have never read anything about this, but I would assume they make customers sign releases if the customer does something stupid.

I believe they do.  

When I taught CPR I told my students that anyone can sue anyone for anything.  Their success, however, is not guaranteed.

When it comes down to it, I would suppose that the difference would be whether the patron brought it on themselves (say, jumped off a moving bike for no apparent reason) or it was the result of a failure on the part of the operator (ie, the bike broke).

No need for lengthy discussion - just my My 2 Cents.

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Posted by anglecock on Friday, July 8, 2022 10:14 AM

Have one of these operations in New Hampshire near Concord NH

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Posted by BEAUSABRE on Friday, July 8, 2022 9:32 AM

York1
ut I would assume they make customers sign releases if the customer does something stupid.

You can't sign away your right to sue and what if they hurt third party or damage their property. They'll sue everyone in sight. 

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Posted by York1 on Thursday, July 7, 2022 8:15 PM

I have never read anything about this, but I would assume they make customers sign releases if the customer does something stupid.

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Posted by samfp1943 on Thursday, July 7, 2022 7:50 PM

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  Seen that 156' high bridge (*Kate Shelly", redux(?)  Watch word before the bridge crossing " Pucker UP, Buttercup"!   Oops - Sign ... Smile, Wink & Grin.....Blindfold....

 

 


 

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Posted by jeffhergert on Thursday, July 7, 2022 6:51 PM
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Posted by zugmann on Thursday, July 7, 2022 4:36 PM

Starting to see more and more videos of people on railbikes on inactive/abandoned lines.  Usually with the BS disclaimer of "premission was granted".  Sure it was.  And my aunt's the queen. 

 

Only a matter of time before we see some moron take their DIY harbor freight bike out on Brightline. 

 

This is why we can't have nice things.

It's been fun.  But it isn't much fun anymore.   Signing off for now. 


  

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Posted by gregc on Thursday, July 7, 2022 1:54 PM

google rail bike

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Posted by zugmann on Thursday, July 7, 2022 1:41 PM

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The crossing protection (lights and gates) were activated, and then everyone pedaled across as a single unit. After crossing, everyone was uncoupled and were individual bikes once again.

Wonder where that falls on the legality/liabilty side of things?

It's been fun.  But it isn't much fun anymore.   Signing off for now. 


  

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Posted by tree68 on Thursday, July 7, 2022 1:03 PM

The Adirondack is currently running railbikes of their own.  They don't have power assist - it's all "you."

Derailments are extremely rare.  If they do derail, it'll be on a switch, and there aren't many of those.   The track they are running on is good for 40 MPH - no rocking and rolling.

Train movements and railbikes are carefuly kept separate.  The Saranac  Lake operation used "out of service" track with no train movements at all under normal circumstances.  That's usually the case for all of these operations.

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Posted by adkrr64 on Thursday, July 7, 2022 12:29 PM

What I observed looked to me like an optical sensor that was mounted so that it could detect the rotation of the pedal sprocket. I can't remember if there was a hole in the sprocket that would pass the sensor once per revolution, or if it sensed the passing of each sprocket tooth. There were definitely no visible sensors on the chain tensioners. The boost mechanism itself was in an actual black box below one of the seats. The only input I saw to it was from the pedal sensor.

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Posted by Overmod on Thursday, July 7, 2022 12:05 PM

Probably the easiest way to proportion electric boost on a vehicle of this type is to have a stiff Weller roller tensioner on the upper side of the drive chain, with a rotary encoder in the arm pivot or similar linkage.  As increased torque comes on the pedal sprocket, boost is applied to hold the tension, hence applied sag, in the chain between limits.  But if you come off the pedals the boost stops, and the pedals easily freewheel 'dumb' as needed if you were at speed (such as it is) and stopped pedaling.  (Note that this arrangement also permits simple in-the-field adjustment of the boost so that the "elderly" and disabled can enjoy the ride...)

Pressure sensors in the pedal(s) or a strain-gage arrangement in the sprocket could be made to work, but they involve electrical contact through something rotating and difficult to seal against weather inexpensively.  I have had too much experience with rotary encoder motor speed control on treadmills to use that as a motor-boost speed control on relatively tight headways... 

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Posted by adkrr64 on Thursday, July 7, 2022 11:55 AM

I've ridden Rail Explorer (RE) rail bikes multiple times on both the Adirondack Scenic (when they were there) and the Catskill Mountain. The bikes are solid, well built machines with appropriate safety features, including seat belts. There is a wire mesh "pan" below your feet so your feet cannot contact the ties or ballast. The crew overseeing each trip makes sure everyone is belted in before starting, and everyone gets an operational briefing on how to conduct themselves. Even if there was a derailment, the speeds were never fast enough where significant injury seemed likely. One RE crew member led the group and another trailed to make sure everyone stayed together.

The electric assist is very subtle. Best I can tell, there is a sensor on one of the pedal cranks, and it seems to combine that input with a speed sensor to determine when to apply the boost. If you keep the pedal crank going at a steady speed, it won't apply boost. Stop pedaling for a distance with a slowing speed and you can feel some power kick in. I've never ridden an electric bike, but I wonder if they borrowed technology from them or if it was something they developed on their own.

The best part of the Catskill trip was when we had to cross a very busy State Route 28. Everyone stopped short of the road, and all the bikes were coupled together into a single "train". The crossing protection (lights and gates) were activated, and then everyone pedaled across as a single unit. After crossing, everyone was uncoupled and were individual bikes once again.

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Posted by Overmod on Thursday, July 7, 2022 11:33 AM

ISTR that the Adirondack Scenic had a railbike operator on some trackage, and perhaps in the 'off season' -- I don't recall reading about any significant accident.  They'd be up at the top of a list of people to ask about the pros and cons, and what to watch and prepare for. 

I'd be more concerned about putting 'bumper car' protection on front and rear pour decourager des autres than side protection against tipover... and yes, I'd use some kind of belts and perhaps rollover protection 'just in case', as some of those roadbeds can be steep, rocky, and deep.  But that's probably overkill for the speeds and tipping moments these things develop.

This is one of the first best applications for 'electric bicycle' power, if you have the necessary disaster waivers from the clientele... Wink

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Posted by BaltACD on Thursday, July 7, 2022 11:25 AM

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Sounds like an accident waiting to happen. 

How?  Why?  They're four wheeled pedal vehicles.  There's not exactly a lot that can go wrong.

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Posted by NittanyLion on Thursday, July 7, 2022 10:34 AM

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Sounds like an accident waiting to happen.

How?  Why?  They're four wheeled pedal vehicles.  There's not exactly a lot that can go wrong.

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Posted by York1 on Thursday, July 7, 2022 10:23 AM

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"Mary Joy Lu is CEO of Rail Explorers which is launching service in Boone this month. Lu says railbike riders will start at the historic Boone Depot, pedaling across farmland into the Des Moines River valley."....

 

This looks like a lot of fun.  I wish I was a little younger ...

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Posted by CSSHEGEWISCH on Thursday, July 7, 2022 10:20 AM

Sounds like an accident waiting to happen.

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Posted by Victrola1 on Thursday, July 7, 2022 9:45 AM

"Iowans will soon be able to ride the rails on what are known as “railbikes,” which resemble steel-framed go-carts that you pedal on railroad tracks with a battery assist like electric bicycles.

"Mary Joy Lu is CEO of Rail Explorers which is launching service in Boone this month. Lu says railbike riders will start at the historic Boone Depot, pedaling across farmland into the Des Moines River valley."....

Radio Iowa web site July 6, 2022 - Unable to post a link to the story. 

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