Did anyone else watch this?If you did, please comment with your opinion.
GrampDid anyone else watch this? If you did, please comment with your opinion.
I believe it is recorded on ROKU via NETFLIX and/or YouTube TV if you missed it.
Watched - valid points from every side. Of course, the ocean carriers didn't present their viewpoint with their own shill.
This is congestion on a classic scale - if and when more 'capacity' is constructed and/or hires by all the players and placed in service, there will then be a paucity of traffic for the newly constructed capacity to handle.
The one salient point brought out - Port Terminals are controlled and financed by local governmental authorities - authorities that have continued to be stingy with cash for upgrades necessary to get the terminals to state of the art.
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One of the points I got from the piece was that the different segments of the chain were somewhat in their own silos, and blaming each other for the problems. I also noted the Chicago toy seller that said his container was buried under a pile of others for 45 days before they could get to it, but he was still charged storage by the railroad.
Saw a great commercial on TV pertaining to this situation. Started off asking the viewer if they were waiting to get their holiday gifts. Then went on to boast about how their product was 100% sourced in the USA.
I was impressed with the way the entrepreneurial spirit seized the moment and capitalized on their advantage. That's the way it's supposed to work isn't it? Someone sees the problem and offers a point specific solution.....
Chicken Little, anybody?
Euclid People have been sheltering at home for survival. They only go to stores for essentials. They buy everything possible on line. This is a sudden and radical change. The change has overwhelmed the supply chain with a demand spike. It cannot cope with the spike and cannot be made capable of coping without a massive rebuild that could take years. The demand spike and supply chain failure is growing worse. Being that it can’t be fixed, it will collapse. Nobody is going to pay the cost that it is adding to product delivery. The supply chain is a component of Chinese product manufacturing, sales, and marketing to the U.S. They will lose that component as the supply chain collapses. We will suffer a shortage of merchandise, but China will suffer a severe economic setback due to loss of product sales. It would have been wise to have built extra capacity into the supply chain to handle possible surges. But we instead focused on just in time philosophy which implies do only what it needed at the moment.
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Convicted One Saw a great commercial on TV pertaining to this situation. Started off asking the viewer if they were waiting to get their holiday gifts. Then went on to boast about how their product was 100% sourced in the USA. I was impressed with the way the entrepreneurial spirit seized the moment and capitalized on their advantage. That's the way it's supposed to work isn't it? Someone sees the problem and offers a point specific solution.....
MidlandMikeOne of the points I got from the piece was that the different segments of the chain were somewhat in their own silos, and blaming each other for the problems. I also noted the Chicago toy seller that said his container was buried under a pile of others for 45 days before they could get to it, but he was still charged storage by the railroad.
Which makes me wonder - did the Customer fail to have a drayman available when the railroad offered the container for delivery?
Of course my experience is before PSR, with that being said, in my experience charges don't begin to accrew until a shipment has been offered to the customer and for whatever the reason, the customer was not able to take physical possession of the shipment.
Weekend trip to the grocery store met with full shelves, except for Gatoraide which had an excuse note from PepsiCo about limited supply. Only thing that really changed was the price tags.
Murphy SidingIn a similar vein, we had a manufacturer confidently tell us that they because of their foresight and planning, they weren’t having any supply issues with the natural resources required to make their product. No kidding. The product is cement siding. It’s basically made out of dirt. No caffeine- never had it, never will!
I'm sorry Murph, I realize that as a middleman you find comfort in thinking that you have consumers square in your sights, and they have no alternatives than to absorb the price increases passed along to them, but I just can't embrace that thinking.
I see willingness to find acceptable substitutes, to make do with available resources, and to reuse and recycle what retains sufficient value to not be discarded ..as the necessary kryptonite required to derail snowballing inflationary ambitions. So, I believe those who are willing and able to furnish locally sourced alternatives are entitled to whatever gains they might secure.
It's a "build a better moustrap" opportunity, IMO
Convicted One I'm sorry Murph, I realize that as a middleman you find comfort in thinking that you have consumers square in your sights, and they have no alternatives than to absorb the price increases passed along to them, but I just can't embrace that thinking. I see willingness to find acceptable substitutes, to make do with available resources, and to reuse and recycle what retains sufficient value to not be discarded ..as the necessary kryptonite required to derail snowballing inflationary ambitions. So, I believe those who are willing and able to furnish locally sourced alternatives are entitled to whatever gains they might secure. It's a "build a better moustrap" opportunity, IMO
The failing supply chain is raising costs. And consumers are not going to sit there like dummies and take it. It will be much easier to move production to the U.S. than to pay the rising cost of the failing supply chain.
Murphy Siding Euclid People have been sheltering at home for survival. They only go to stores for essentials. They buy everything possible on line. This is a sudden and radical change. The change has overwhelmed the supply chain with a demand spike. It cannot cope with the spike and cannot be made capable of coping without a massive rebuild that could take years. The demand spike and supply chain failure is growing worse. Being that it can’t be fixed, it will collapse. Nobody is going to pay the cost that it is adding to product delivery. The supply chain is a component of Chinese product manufacturing, sales, and marketing to the U.S. They will lose that component as the supply chain collapses. We will suffer a shortage of merchandise, but China will suffer a severe economic setback due to loss of product sales. It would have been wise to have built extra capacity into the supply chain to handle possible surges. But we instead focused on just in time philosophy which implies do only what it needed at the moment. Are you writing a doomsday science fiction novel? I feel like I've already reviewed a couple chapters.
Are you writing a doomsday science fiction novel? I feel like I've already reviewed a couple chapters.
Reality: October sales and industrial production in China both increased.
I wonder about what's going on at the cross-dock facilities where 40' container loads are put into 53' trailers and boxes. Seems like that would have been a choke point just waiting for the current crisis. I can imagine chaotic scenes there.
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EuclidAnd consumers are not going to sit there like dummies and take it. It will be much easier to move production to the U.S. than to pay the rising cost of the failing supply chain.
It's kinda interesting to contemplate which alternative will result in the higher final cost? Goods manufactured in America made by geedy American workers, or imports manufactured cheaply but imported by geedy marketeers?
Convicted One Euclid And consumers are not going to sit there like dummies and take it. It will be much easier to move production to the U.S. than to pay the rising cost of the failing supply chain. It's kinda interesting to contemplate which alternative will result in the higher final cost? Goods manufactured in America made by geedy American workers, or imports manufactured cheaply but imported by geedy marketeers?
Euclid And consumers are not going to sit there like dummies and take it. It will be much easier to move production to the U.S. than to pay the rising cost of the failing supply chain.
Well, one point is that the U.S. product marketing has been shown by the Chinese import experience that U.S. consumers want quality only if it comes at the lowest price. Prior to that, U.S. marketers thought they were competing with each other on the basis of quality alone. Now they have learned that quality is not the #1 priority, and they will show China how quickly the U.S. manufactureers can become the lowest quality producer.
Then when you add the savings of eliminating the supply chain costs, the U.S. will have an advantage over Chinese manufactuers.
Euclid Is this a fake crisis? Is it being used to deflect the blame for causing inflation? Is inflation actually a good thing because it proves how successful our roaring economy is?
The wealthy actually gain through inflation. I suspect at least part of your answer is there.
Convicted One Murphy Siding In a similar vein, we had a manufacturer confidently tell us that they because of their foresight and planning, they weren’t having any supply issues with the natural resources required to make their product. No kidding. The product is cement siding. It’s basically made out of dirt. No caffeine- never had it, never will! I'm sorry Murph, I realize that as a middleman you find comfort in thinking that you have consumers square in your sights, and they have no alternatives than to absorb the price increases passed along to them, but I just can't embrace that thinking. I see willingness to find acceptable substitutes, to make do with available resources, and to reuse and recycle what retains sufficient value to not be discarded ..as the necessary kryptonite required to derail snowballing inflationary ambitions. So, I believe those who are willing and able to furnish locally sourced alternatives are entitled to whatever gains they might secure. It's a "build a better moustrap" opportunity, IMO
Murphy Siding In a similar vein, we had a manufacturer confidently tell us that they because of their foresight and planning, they weren’t having any supply issues with the natural resources required to make their product. No kidding. The product is cement siding. It’s basically made out of dirt. No caffeine- never had it, never will!
charlie hebdo Murphy Siding Euclid People have been sheltering at home for survival. They only go to stores for essentials. They buy everything possible on line. This is a sudden and radical change. The change has overwhelmed the supply chain with a demand spike. It cannot cope with the spike and cannot be made capable of coping without a massive rebuild that could take years. The demand spike and supply chain failure is growing worse. Being that it can’t be fixed, it will collapse. Nobody is going to pay the cost that it is adding to product delivery. The supply chain is a component of Chinese product manufacturing, sales, and marketing to the U.S. They will lose that component as the supply chain collapses. We will suffer a shortage of merchandise, but China will suffer a severe economic setback due to loss of product sales. It would have been wise to have built extra capacity into the supply chain to handle possible surges. But we instead focused on just in time philosophy which implies do only what it needed at the moment. Are you writing a doomsday science fiction novel? I feel like I've already reviewed a couple chapters. Reality: October sales and industrial production in China both increased.
Perhaps now is not the best time to build new? Let the swell of the resurgent economy peak, and taper off some first?
People's unwillingness to be flexible is what makes them such sitting ducks.
Eventually once the system equalizes we'll get back to the point where one middleman will have to cut the other middlemen's throats in order to grow market share, and we'll all be happy once again.
Convicted One How do the wealthy gain through inflation as a rule? I suppose individual circumstances could result in some poeple gaining through inflation, but give me some examples. And what would give extra advantage to the wealthy? I sometimes wonder if many people realize what the full potential of inflation is once it get out of hand. The popular veiw of inflation seems to be that prices of things they purchase are increasing. And that is viewed as a moderate annoyance. Euclid Is this a fake crisis? Is it being used to deflect the blame for causing inflation? Is inflation actually a good thing because it proves how successful our roaring economy is? The wealthy actually gain through inflation. I suspect at least part of your answer is there.
How do the wealthy gain through inflation as a rule? I suppose individual circumstances could result in some poeple gaining through inflation, but give me some examples. And what would give extra advantage to the wealthy?
I sometimes wonder if many people realize what the full potential of inflation is once it get out of hand. The popular veiw of inflation seems to be that prices of things they purchase are increasing. And that is viewed as a moderate annoyance.
Eventually when the supply chain gets choked with hinges that nobody in their right minds are gonna pay $30 for a pair and a half for, then heads will come down out of the clouds and a return to sensibility can prevail.
EuclidHow do the wealthy gain through inflation as a rule? I suppose individual circumstances could result in some poeple gaining through inflation, but give me some examples. And what would give extra advantage to the wealthy?
WAY outside the scope of this forum, and frankly not anything that I'm interested in debating. But, if I own a $40 million office building while you own a $50,000 house, and everything is inflated by 7%...who gains more? We're still both gonna pay $7 for a cheese burger, an issue of trains magazine is gonna cost us both the same, a coke is a coke regardless of which of us is buying it . So the relative gain available to one versus the other is different.
A thorough examination would have to include a comparison of discretionary vs non-discretionary expenses, and that's way more effort than I'm willing to expend here, so either agree, or don't. You won't offend me either way.
BaltACD Watched - valid points from every side. Of course, the ocean carriers didn't present their viewpoint with their own shill. This is congestion on a classic scale - if and when more 'capacity' is constructed and/or hires by all the players and placed in service, there will then be a paucity of traffic for the newly constructed capacity to handle. The one salient point brought out - Port Terminals are controlled and financed by local governmental authorities - authorities that have continued to be stingy with cash for upgrades necessary to get the terminals to state of the art.
I have not watched this yet on 60 min but I know from UP CEO remarks and looking online at LA/LB Port status reports, Kind of humorous but did you notice how each player is acting in their own silo instead of acting as part of a larger integrated logistics team. I wonder if the shortages would be as severe or the problem as big if they were all playing like an orchestra instead of each individually with different sheets of music. Tampa, FL ports spokeperson last night: "Unlike LB and LA we always have worked a 24 hour shift round the clock so we do not have these excessive wait times"...........ouch!
Convicted One Euclid How do the wealthy gain through inflation as a rule? I suppose individual circumstances could result in some poeple gaining through inflation, but give me some examples. And what would give extra advantage to the wealthy? WAY outside the scope of this forum, and frankly not anything that I'm interested in debating. But, if I own a $40 million office building while you own a $50,000 house, and everything is inflated by 7%...who gains more?
Euclid How do the wealthy gain through inflation as a rule? I suppose individual circumstances could result in some poeple gaining through inflation, but give me some examples. And what would give extra advantage to the wealthy?
WAY outside the scope of this forum, and frankly not anything that I'm interested in debating. But, if I own a $40 million office building while you own a $50,000 house, and everything is inflated by 7%...who gains more?
I have a million in the bank, you have $1000. Because of inflation, my million will only buy $930,000 worth of goods, while your $1K will buy $930 worth of goods. Who lost more buying power?
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Here is the 60 minutes report:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W7jSsyQKIfE
CMStPnPHere is the 60 minutes report: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W7jSsyQKIfE
Interesting how they state that the problem has only been getting worse of late, instead of better.
At roughly 8 minutes into the segment, the authority states that the majority of available chassis are sitting under empty containers waiting to go back to the ocean. And with those chassis out of the circulation, that's trapping freshly unloaded containers from leaving the ports, causing the logjam.
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