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1950's transport of sugar and flour
Posted by owen w in california on Monday, September 10, 2018 3:43 PM

Hey folks: I'm trying to figure out how an industrial sized bakery operation would have received ingredients by rail - flour, sugar, molasses and oil.  Would the sugar and flour come by boxcars filled with sacks of flour/sugar or via covered hoppers? Molasses and cooking oil would have come in tank cars, I suspect. I'm modeling east coast US in 1954. Thanks. Joel

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Posted by BaltACD on Monday, September 10, 2018 6:55 PM

Find pictures of 'merchandise' freight trains from the early 50's  Note that the scattered loads of coal in those trains would be used for home and industrial heating purposes.  A lot of homes in the early 50's used coal heat - more than we realize from our viewpoint of the 21st Century where very, very few homes are heated by coal.

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Posted by CShaveRR on Monday, September 10, 2018 7:47 PM

Around 1954, most of the sugar and flour would have come bagged, in box cars.  (Take a look at a box car from that era belonging to the Buffalo Creek Railroad--its logo featured a sack of flour [reporting marks BCK]).  

Covered hopper cars existed back then, but were not lined for food-grade bulk commodities.  You'd find them hauling mostly cement and sand, and a few chemical commodities.  

However, 1954 was a pivotal year--General American Transportation Corporation introduced its Airslide covered hopper car that made bulk transportation of both flour and sugar more feasible (they were expensive, and couldn't hold nearly the volume of a box car of the same era).

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Posted by tree68 on Monday, September 10, 2018 9:34 PM

BaltACD

Find pictures of 'merchandise' freight trains from the early 50's  Note that the scattered loads of coal in those trains would be used for home and industrial heating purposes.  A lot of homes in the early 50's used coal heat - more than we realize from our viewpoint of the 21st Century where very, very few homes are heated by coal.

A lot of mills were heated by and used coal other power (stationary steam engines).  There are a number of grades of coal, and those scattered loads of coal Balt mentions were of different grades for their various end customers.  A mill of the size you suggest may well get in regular loads of coal in addition to the other commodities.

Don't forget things like the paper to wrap the bread (in that era, plastic bags weren't used).  An occasional boxcar of rolled paper would serve that purpose.

Dairy products would likely be locally sourced, and items like yeast and salt probably wouldn't be used in large enough quantities to ship by rail - unless it was bags of salt.

Will your plant make raisin bread?  The occasional insulated boxcar from a raisin producing areas might be appropriate.  Adds some variety to your traffic. 

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Posted by samfp1943 on Monday, September 10, 2018 9:54 PM

To what Carl(CShaveRR) noted:

                                             OwenW. Failed to note a time frame for his modeling project; might be a thought to make it in the 1950' or 60's(?). Carloads of ingredients for a commercial bakery would [as Carl suggested, would generally, be in bags, and liquids in barrels].

               If the ingredients cam by rail, most bakeries would receive them via a warehouse, and then trucked to the facility as needed. 50# and 100# bags would generally be the packaging.      

              Bakeries with rail sidings would be the exception, rather than the rule.    If there is a rail siding on your layout, I would suggest that possibly a couple of dry bulk storage tanks would be appropriate, and plumbed for a vacuum load and unload system. And the Bakery facility would necessarily be a large building(s (?).

The only bakeries I have seen with rail access is a facility in Paris, Tx. Their product is an unfinished line of bakery rolls[Heat&Serve], baked in the purchasers home oven. 

                                                          

 

 


 

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Posted by owen w in california on Monday, September 10, 2018 10:56 PM

Sam: 1954 is the time period (last sentence of my initial inquiry).  Thanks guys, this is all very helpful. And I appreciate the input! Joel 

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Posted by mudchicken on Tuesday, September 11, 2018 6:10 AM

Any idea when the "XF" labelling/lettering on the food grade boxcars began?

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Posted by CSSHEGEWISCH on Tuesday, September 11, 2018 7:35 AM

XF class boxcars seemed to have entered service in the late 1960's.  General Mills had a boxed cereal plant at about 105th and Commercial (just south of Rail to Water Transfer) and I remember seeing boxcars for various lines with rather large "XF" lettering and the legend "Food Service Only".

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Posted by BaltACD on Tuesday, September 11, 2018 8:01 AM

The early to mid 50's were the land of the 40 foot and 50 foot box cars and the 'giant' 53 foot gons.

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Posted by greyhounds on Tuesday, September 11, 2018 2:15 PM

Well, it's not a bakery.  It's a flour mill that shipped to the bakery.  Look at all them boxcars.  They're spotted 3 wide for loading.  

www.idaillinois.org/cdm/ref/collection/p16614coll2/id/12

You may have to enlarge and scroll down on the photo.  This was the Pillsbury flour mill in Springfield, IL in 1947.  (Close to '54)  The plant was switched by the C&IM, a short line that effectively gave Pillsbury a neutral terminal service with access to several competing railroads either at Springfield or through the Peoria Gateway.  Steam lasted on the C&IM to 1955.  0-8-0 swithers.

 

 

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Posted by mudchicken on Tuesday, September 11, 2018 6:05 PM

Until just recently, the Nabisco bakery in Chicago was a hoppin place in a rail sense until Mondelez shut it down. (Belt Railway of Chicago switched it 2+ times a day)

Trucks forced the rail to be paved-in and submarine switches inside the plant gates. (did the track structure no favors) That facility was new in 1953.

Was set up to transload boxcars, tank cars and covered hoppers originally. Modified many times by people who clearly did not understand clearance laws. Most likely it won't ever re-open w/o major track and clearance modifications.

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Posted by jeffhergert on Tuesday, September 11, 2018 6:22 PM

Until it closed a dozen years ago, there was a flour mill in Des Moines IA that still loaded box cars with large sacks of flour.  Inaddition to the air slide covered hoppers.  I remember railbox cars being used then.

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Posted by Paul of Covington on Wednesday, September 12, 2018 12:01 PM

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Trucks forced the rail to be paved-in and submarine switches inside the plant gates. (did the track structure no favors) That facility was new in 1953.

   Submarine switches??

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Posted by Semper Vaporo on Wednesday, September 12, 2018 12:48 PM

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mudchicken
Trucks forced the rail to be paved-in and submarine switches inside the plant gates. (did the track structure no favors) That facility was new in 1953.

 

   Submarine switches??

You know... served on a long loaf of white or wheat bread with meat, cheese and usually lettuce, pickle, tomato and dill sauce!  Oh wait, that was 'switches' wasn't it... never mind.

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Posted by Paul of Covington on Wednesday, September 12, 2018 1:31 PM

   Semper, you're thinking of po' boy, aren't you?

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Posted by tree68 on Wednesday, September 12, 2018 1:59 PM

Paul of Covington

   Semper, you're thinking of po' boy, aren't you?

Or a hoagie...

I believe a "submarine switch" may refer to one where the mechanism is all under the pavement, like on a trolley line.  I could be wrong.

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Posted by Paul of Covington on Thursday, September 13, 2018 1:30 PM

   Thanks, Larry.   Makes sense since MC was talking about paving over the the area around the tracks.

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Posted by RDG467 on Monday, September 17, 2018 9:55 AM

Joel, the Hagley Library's Online collection has an aerial photo of the General Baking Co. in the Crescentville section of Phila. Not Olney, as stated in the pic, but close. They made Bond Bread here.

It was served by the Reading Company:

http://digital.hagley.org/islandora/search/70_200_12369?type=dismax

 

The photo is earlier than your timeframe, but you can see two boxcars on the siding in the shadows of the main building.  I think the second siding was primarily for coal to fire the boilers.

IDK if there are any later views from the 50's, but I know they received rail service into the early CR era- 1978 for sure, but IDR if it lasted into the 80's.  

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Posted by owen w in california on Monday, September 17, 2018 11:07 AM

Thanks, RDG and the rest of you folks. All very helpful. This photo is great, because it also gives me a concept of the size of a rail served facility, and some kind of architectural starting point for a kitbashed structure. 

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Posted by RDG467 on Monday, September 17, 2018 12:24 PM

The building still exists, except for the smokestack, at the following coordinates (fm Google Maps): 40°02'33.2"N 75°06'35.4"W

(40.042542, -75.109835) 

 

Street view shows the details of the front and partial side view of the building. It was used as a retail store for many years, so some of the larger door openings have been modified. I'm not sure when the additions to the east and west sides were built, but the rest of the building doesn't look like it's changed very much since 1939.

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Posted by Overmod on Monday, September 17, 2018 12:34 PM

Paul of Covington
Submarine switches??

From Ed Blysard (Nov 18 2006)

There is a switch...located in between the points of the switch, known as a submarine switch.

You will find the switch or turnout handle located under a steel door directly between the points of the switch, flush with the dock surface.

Often, but not always, only one point of the switch moves.

Above switch only moves one switch point.

Below moves both.

Not fun to work, they are always full of old, nasty dirty water and gunk...

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Posted by RDG467 on Monday, September 17, 2018 3:11 PM

Another local (to Phila) bakery-type business which still uses rail is the Philadelphia Macaroni Company on Jacksonville Rd. in Warminster, Pa.  Their siding holds 4 modern covered hoppers. They only get service at night, though, because the spur comes off of an active heavy-rail commuter line owned by SEPTA.  They were rail-served for many years, dropped it for a while and have been rail-served for the past 5 years or so.

https://www.google.com/maps/@40.1856508,-75.0940691,18.74z?hl=en

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Posted by Paul of Covington on Monday, September 17, 2018 6:15 PM

   Thanks, Overmod and Ed.   It looks kinda like the streetcar way of doing things.

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Posted by SFbrkmn on Monday, September 24, 2018 4:50 PM

I worked for Cargill Flour Milling 1981-1998 and observed many changes within the industry. The mill @ Newton made millions metric tons of export flour yr after yr for Egypt, Sudan, Somallia, Yemen and even Iraq. Loaded in 50-ft boxcars, 1350 bags to a car. This was through the USDA flour enhancement program that was killed by Congress in the 90s. This market change forced mills to either find domestic clients or go out of business (Both took place). Newton mill converted to all domestic bulk business until bringing in some domestic sacked business starting in 2011.                                                                                                                      In conjunction with the 100th yr of the mill in Newton, a book is set to be released by Mennonite Press in October that covers the SF & UP connections w/the local mill trade. "Trackside At The Mill-1981-1998".  500 copies are to be printed which should begin this wk.

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Posted by RKFarms on Tuesday, October 9, 2018 9:28 PM
The ADM mill in Beech Grove ships out some flour in bags, but as far as I can tell the bags all go by truck, bulk flour goes by truck and rail. Incoming SRW wheat is delivered by truck and HR wheat comes in by rail from the west. I used to haul there until they stopped taking dump trailers. PR

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