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Posted by SD70Dude on Saturday, May 11, 2019 12:07 AM

Flintlock76

And it goes without saying if it wasn't for the "Canadian Content" here, so well supplied by Miningman, NDG, and SD70Dude I'd have no idea what's going on up there either!  

And that's just the way we like it, with the way this world's going flying under the radar ain't such a bad thing!

But since those on 'String Lining' are nice folks, here's a couple views from my part of the world.

 

Swapping stories:

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1K6i6Ne-rwF3GFz4iC4EqNNEo0XVCohwG/view

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1Z2M4XC0wkwqkdZAKYuaab8sld_07pGiP/view

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1h5LTQz1QGQjfFKkznm56Ylx3lLmQiW1Q/view

 

Fresh out of the shop, ready and waiting for winter:

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1rc0e4PX3J3OFdpD6CJXbZPEt9pwfb_tZ/view

 

And the tail end:

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1-CYL7VXVkf5QhCYLvkFe_Ubn1LKisi9u/view

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Posted by Flintlock76 on Saturday, May 11, 2019 11:58 AM

Thanks for those shots 'Dude!  Nice!

And guess what?  Our local paper, the "Richmond Times-Dispatch" ran a 1/3d of a page AP story on the Golden Spike Sesqui-Centennial" today.  Thank goodness!

Well, this IS Virginia!  "Old times there are not forgotten..."

Oh, and flying under the radar?  I rmember reading a column by Canadian commentator Mark Steyn several years ago saying he was thrilled when he saw a foreign mob somewhere burning a Canadian flag.  As he put it...

"It means we still count for something!"  

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Posted by Miningman on Saturday, May 11, 2019 12:34 PM

Got to luv Mark Steyn. Never miss his Sunday morning weekly recap on his website. Read the whole thing, takes a while but well worth it. 

As to flying under the radar in the Great White North, well let's see .. the Philippines declared war on us. China is executing 2 of our citizens now and cut off Canola and now Pork imports.  They really don't like us. India has no use for us after our Bollywood Princess Prime Minister did absolutely everything wrong on his trip there. Italy states that the EU will not have a trade deal with Canada because they will veto that everytime .. they really don't like us. The Saudis are pulling out all their investments and exchange students. They hate us. After betraying the US President while on route to his first meeting with Kim of North Korea sparking the comment " a special place in hell for the Prime Minister" our PM has done nothing but placate the President shamelessly. Back to tugging at the pant leg of the USA. There are others... Ireland, Columbia, even serious civil showdown coming in Alberta. Throw in a couple of international scandals. Ridiculous over the top meaningless agendas ruining the country with an extremist agenda on stupid things. 

So not exactly quiet smooth sailings. Regime change this autumn, then fix and back to normal I hope. 

CP and CN doing ok though. Dude talks of layoffs but record earnings. I don't like layoffs, most don't. Shareholders should come second to the good of the nation, providing employment, and good corporate governance. They are important and count high in the order but not #1. 

 

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Posted by NDG on Saturday, May 11, 2019 1:30 PM
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Posted by BaltACD on Saturday, May 11, 2019 2:40 PM

NDG

Such happenings are not unique to Toronto.  Wherever there is a high level of commuter rail - if the start of the day is bad, it only gets worse during the day.

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Posted by Flintlock76 on Saturday, May 11, 2019 3:07 PM

Holy smoke Vince, looks like I'd BETTER look up that Mark Steyn weekly recap, there's all sorts of stuff going on up there I don't know about!  

Mark Steyn used to be featured in the "Washington Times" newspaper, but it's not available here in Richmond anymore.  They lost their distributor and couldn't find another, or so they said.

I sent a letter to the editor at the time, an Arkansas native, and asked "As a good Southern boy you're not REALLY going to give up Richmond a SECOND time, are you?"

Never got an answer.  

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Posted by Miningman on Saturday, May 11, 2019 3:40 PM

http://www.steynonline.com/blog

Here you are Wayne. Great stuff. Lots of short TV clips from his weekly appearances on Tucker Carlson, a couple of radio show bi weekly chats and his columns. Don't miss ' the most read story of the week'. 

He lives in Vermont now. Has a studio there where he produces terrific shows of commentary and music. 

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Posted by Flintlock76 on Saturday, May 11, 2019 4:37 PM

Thanks Vince!  I'd heard Mark got run out of Canada a few years ago do to "Political Correctness" run amok.  I'm surprised he moved to Vermont and not New Hampshire, the "Live Free or Die" state, but no matter.  Maybe he's a fan of "Ben and Jerry's" and want to live close to the source?  

Or he's a maple syrup junkie?  Aren't we all?  

Wait a minute, I just figured it out! He's a Rutland Railroad fan!

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Posted by Miningman on Saturday, May 11, 2019 5:44 PM

No he didn't get run out of Canada. He won his court case hands down. He visits Montreal all the time and appears frequently all over Canada. He just fell in love with the place he lives while passing through one day. Still a Canadian citizen. 

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Posted by Miningman on Saturday, May 11, 2019 5:54 PM

Wayne!... i erred. Mark Steyn does live in New Hampshire, not Vermont.

Woodsville, New Hampshire.  

I'm still a bit messed up.

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Posted by BaltACD on Saturday, May 11, 2019 6:27 PM

Miningman
Wayne!... i erred. Mark Steyn dies live in New Hampshire, not Vermont.

Woodsville, New Hampshire.  

I'm still a bit messed up.

If he 'dies live' - you still have some recovery to do.

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Posted by Miningman on Saturday, May 11, 2019 6:33 PM

Thanks Balt.. fixed it... I need a nap. 

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Posted by Flintlock76 on Saturday, May 11, 2019 8:22 PM

Woodsville NH?  OK then, Mark's a Boston & Maine fan!

Gotta keep this railroad-related ya know!

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Posted by NDG on Sunday, May 12, 2019 2:26 AM

 

Thank You, Sir, for the information on the CP Coaches.

 

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Posted by NDG on Sunday, May 12, 2019 3:26 PM

 

FYI.
 
New Haven S2 and Slug. Hartford, Connecticut.
 
 
As Here.
 
 
 
Many New Haven Diesel Switchers had AIR WHISTLES as on Steam Locomotives. 
 
 
Front of Cab, upper right to Engineer's window.
 
Lovely to hear in the night.
 
 
The distant GTW S2 has the short-lived Horizontal Shutters feature.
 
 

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Posted by Flintlock76 on Sunday, May 12, 2019 3:49 PM

Thanks NDG!

Interesting thing about the air whistles.  Some 'roads adopted them as they were concerned, in the steam-to-diesel transition era anyway, that people wouldn't associate a diesel horn with an approaching train, so they tried air whistles since the public would be more familiar with the sound and realise something BIG was coming their way and they should act accordingly.

Good in theory, but it didn't quite work out, an air whistle just didn't have the volume a steam whistle did.  They still don't when they're tried.

I imagine they did sound pretty good, if you were close enough to hear them.

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Posted by Miningman on Sunday, May 12, 2019 4:19 PM

Steam era CV switchers. The colour pic is from 1967 still in black paint with late steam era crest. 

CV 7919 second Alco on CNR part of a five unit order. Alco 69654 12/1941 White River Junction, Vermont 1942.
10/1967 became GTW 8094. Retired after 29 1/2 years in June 1971. Bud Laws Collection

CV 8027 (two unit order 8026-7) S-4 Alco 80466 5/1953 St.Albans 8/1967 Paul Mc Grane Collection

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Posted by CSSHEGEWISCH on Monday, May 13, 2019 7:48 AM

Flintlock76

Good in theory, but it didn't quite work out, an air whistle just didn't have the volume a steam whistle did.  They still don't when they're tried.

 
The point is well made.  EJ&E equipped its centercabs with either conventional air horns or Hancock air whistles and the horns were definitely louder.  A warning device should not be too pleasant to the ear or it will be ignored.
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Posted by Overmod on Monday, May 13, 2019 8:39 AM

CSSHEGEWISCH
A warning device should not be too pleasant to the ear or it will be ignored.

A theory gaining credence since the 1990s, when KCS notably started equipping some of their power with horns that would make the paint fall off your car at a half-mile; I think purposely detuning the 'chord' at the same time.  It would CERTAINLY make you stop if even remotely close to a grade crossing at the time...

And of course many recent EMDs have had a truly awful dissonant horn, perhaps on the same theory that General Motors used for low-coolant warning horns in their mid-Seventies cars.  

Makes you pine for the days that a music expert adjusted the first generation of chime horns to produce true melody, not just sweet sound... but it's appropriate for the wonderful 21st Century we've built so far, isn't it?

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Posted by Overmod on Monday, May 13, 2019 8:50 AM

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I'll think of something to replace the double post later. Something unrelated to carping about Kalmbach tech 'achievement'.

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Posted by Overmod on Monday, May 13, 2019 8:51 AM

Even the single-note horns that couldn't be distinguished from trucks had an advantage over the 'predecessors to the Hancock air whistle' that were used, say, on early PRR electric power, right up to the accident at Deans (in 1934) in which the relative worthlessness of the PRR air whistle (which on the surviving MP54s in the Seventies had a blow-across-a-bottle-neck sound remarkably worthless at grade crossings or anything else requiring actual sitting up and taking notice of a train) was as I recall noted as a contributing factor.

The Hancocks were famously fitted to the FL9s, and while it was a delight to hear them, you couldn't hear them very far.  Think of a PA speaker ... and not a very big one, at that ... fitted with a small whistle instead of its loudspeaker driver.  Not a replacement for diaphragm action, let alone multiple diaphragms.

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Posted by Electroliner 1935 on Monday, May 13, 2019 10:25 AM

I'm curious, do all stations on the line open at the same time, (6:00 AM) with trains distributed along the line or do the trains all start from the yard in regular spacing (5:50, 5:55, 6:00....)? 

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Posted by NDG on Monday, May 13, 2019 3:43 PM

 

FYI,
 
CPR Passenger Train, Glacier House.  As on ebay.
 
 
Note Glacier, centre.
 
 
Old RoW to right. Hotel at far end of loop.
 
 
Hiked in there eons ago.
 
The Glacier has receded out of sight uphill, Track relocated. Foundation of hotel w boiler still visible.
 
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Posted by Flintlock76 on Monday, May 13, 2019 6:15 PM

I count eight visible cars in the consist.

That little 4-4-0 (if that's what it is) must have been one good puller!

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Posted by Miningman on Monday, May 13, 2019 7:17 PM

... and in the mountains yet with some pretty good grades back then and all heavyweight cars. 

Yeah I think it's a 4-4-0 as well looks like # 407, not sure. Maybe someone can verify. 

Which goes to show you the enourmous power of steam.

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Posted by SD70Dude on Monday, May 13, 2019 7:37 PM

Love that shot of the 4-4-0 and train.  I wonder if the cars were steam-heated yet, could that little boiler have kept up with everything?

Slugs are a excellent idea for yard service.  Doubles the braking effort and greatly increases pulling power.  I recall reading (perhaps on here) that CP's first MLW switchers would sometimes get dragged over the Alyth hump, being able to pull more than they could stop.  The previously used steam locomotives of course had tenders, which provided additional braking.

I am currently enjoying the sight of two beautifully restored MLW FA/FB units, not far from a A-B pair of FP9's in (unfortunately) pink primer and a long lineup of passenger cars, some Tuscan red, some faded blue.  Keeping an extra close eye out while driving, wouldn't want to run over any gentlemen on 4-8-2 bikes!

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Posted by Flintlock76 on Monday, May 13, 2019 7:59 PM

I don't think those cars are steam heated, as the 'Dude said I don't think that little 4-4-0's boiler would have had the capacity.

did  enlarge that photograph as much as I could, and it looks to me like those cars have chimneys on them, which would indicate on-board coal stoves.

Depending on the age of the photo that may just be the case.

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Posted by NDG on Monday, May 13, 2019 10:11 PM

 

I am currently enjoying the sight of two beautifully restored MLW FA/FB units, not far from a A-B pair of FP9's in (unfortunately) pink primer and a long lineup of passenger cars, some Tuscan red, some faded blue.

 

One of These??
 
I suggest the locomotive is one of these, a 2-8-0?
 
 
Just got in from a 5-mile ride on my 4-8-2 on the now-abandoned 1898 Grade.
 
Donated all my Paper CPR Data, Books and Rosters to local Museum.
 
CPR had at least 3 number series for older locomotives.
 
I suspect this one is in it's first number?
 
Eight 8 cars, including the Baggages would be a load for a 4-4-0 in the Mountains, given frost, snow or dew = BIG Sand Dome.
 
Speeds would be low account Grades in any event.  ( Safety First! )
 
Double heading the norm in poor conditions with locomotives this size.
 
Don't know when Steam Heat and Air Brakes became Universal.
 
Many Psgr. Cars had Coal-Fired Baker heaters well into Twentieth Century for use on freigh/mixed trains and when set off at remote points that lacked Roundhouse Steam.
 
Have to go.
 
 

Thank You.

 

There are a set of Restored CPR MLW FA/B Units here! Plus the Primer F Units.

 

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Posted by SD70Dude on Monday, May 13, 2019 10:43 PM

NDG

I am currently enjoying the sight of two beautifully restored MLW FA/FB units, not far from a A-B pair of FP9's in (unfortunately) pink primer and a long lineup of passenger cars, some Tuscan red, some faded blue.

One of These??
 
I suggest the locomotive is one of these, a 2-8-0?
 
 
Just got in from a 5-mile ride on my 4-8-2 on the now-abandoned 1898 Grade.
 
Donated all my Paper CPR Data, Books and Rosters to local Museum.
 
CPR had at least 3 number series for older locomotives.
 
I suspect this one is in it's first number?
 
Eight 8 cars, including the Baggages would be a load for a 4-4-0 in the Mountains, given frost and dew = BIG Sand Dome.
 
Speeds would be low account Grades in any event.  ( Safety First! )
 
Double heading the norm in poor conditions with locomotives this size.
 
Don't know when Steam Heat and Air Brakes became Universal.
 
Many Psgr. Cars had Coal-Fired Baker heaters well into Twentieth Century for use on freigh/mixed trains and when set off at remote points that lacked Roundhouse Steam.
 
Have to go.

Thank You.

There are a set of Restored CPR MLW FA/B Units here! Plus the Primer F Units.

Where are You?

Less than 5 miles away from you I suspect.  Currently buying groceries at Superstore.  Today was indeed a beautiful day in Southeastern B.C, perfect for a bike ride.

But not having a bike I had to walk, and admired the MLW's, EMD's and as many passenger cars as I could see, including a full lightweight set from the Chinook!

But what surprised me the most was that CP still owns a 250-ton Brownhoist with plain bearings.

Was that tender used with CP 2860?  It has pass-through MU connections to run trailing diesels.

Greetings from Alberta

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Posted by NDG on Monday, May 13, 2019 10:55 PM

 

Less than 5 miles away from you I suspect.

 

The smaller crane has a BELL!  The idler for the 250 ton has 12 wheels, plain bearing.

 

There are a PLOW and a Spreader in the Yard near R. House, the Spreader having a Single Note Horn a la NYC, probably from first orders of CPR Diesels.

Where are you staying? Hotel Name? We could meet tonite, or in morning. Denny's open 24/7 just east of Downtown?

Give me hotel name and room and I will call, if that works.

Stay off CPR Property, vigilant CPR Constable in truck and Cameras.

 

 

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