I noticed an eastbound UP container train on the Rochelle Park camera exiting the Global III IM facility today carrying exclusively single-stacked domestic containers. Given the economics of stack traffic, it's a good guess that this was a train assembled at G-III for a destination that had to travel over a line that could not accomodate two-high domestic containers (which, IIRC, are taller than international containers).What major lines remain east of Chicago than cannot clear this equipment? This was a long train - it had to be bound for a good-sized terminal.
IIRC traffic to the port of Baltimore would require removal of 'upper-deck' containers for a stack train to proceed (tunnel and restricted clearance; expensive and time-consuming to fix). Might not be enough intermediate traffic to make it worthwhile to stack containers that would have to come off before the tight clearances were reached.
Last I knew, the Detroit-Windsor rail tunnel would not handle some double stacks - whichever is taller (domestic or international). Don't know if any UP traffic goes that way, but it's a consideration.
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OPINION. IIRC almost all of the mainlines that can't handle double stacked containers are in an area north of Richmond VA and east of Detroit.Both CSX and NS inherited a miserable collection of tunnels, bridges, etc from the roads that preceeded them. Both have spent millions to open up corridors that can handle double stacked containers. And they continue to do so,e.g the Virginia Ave Project that CSX is beginning in DC.Most of the problem should be gone by 2018, if not before.Both CSX and NS especially CSX, faced te results of deferred manintenance when they were organized and they both chose to place correction of those problems first. to the disgust of "investors" who wanted to continue to ignore maintenance. I would estimate (guess) that they will be caught up with the maintence backlog, except for a few major bridge replacements, by the end of 2018. Three more long years of slow orders and inefficient single-level stack trains, but they're making progress.
ramrod OPINION. IIRC almost all of the mainlines that can't handle double stacked containers are in an area north of Richmond VA and east of Detroit.Both CSX and NS inherited a miserable collection of tunnels, bridges, etc from the roads that preceeded them. Both have spent millions to open up corridors that can handle double stacked containers. And they continue to do so,e.g the Virginia Ave Project that CSX is beginning in DC.Most of the problem should be gone by 2018, if not before.Both CSX and NS especially CSX, faced te results of deferred manintenance when they were organized and they both chose to place correction of those problems first. to the disgust of "investors" who wanted to continue to ignore maintenance. I would estimate (guess) that they will be caught up with the maintence backlog, except for a few major bridge replacements, by the end of 2018. Three more long years of slow orders and inefficient single-level stack trains, but they're making progress.
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tree68 Last I knew, the Detroit-Windsor rail tunnel would not handle some double stacks - whichever is taller (domestic or international). Don't know if any UP traffic goes that way, but it's a consideration.
The twin tunnels are owned by CP and the Ontario Retirement system. CP reaches it from Chicago by NS trackage rights.
CSX has an intermodal train that comes from somewhere in north Florida. It has international containers double stacked or combination of one domestic & one international doubled. No domestic double stacked. Appears that this train comes from JAX but not sure. It does have Tropicana reefers on the rear of this train.
The reefers are turned at Fairburn to connect to UP at New Orleans on a double stack train..
Here's CSX:
http://www.csx.com/share/wwwcsx_mura/assets/File/Customers/Services_and_Partners/Dimensional-Clearance/doublestack-7-22-2014.pdf
greyhounds Here's CSX: http://www.csx.com/share/wwwcsx_mura/assets/File/Customers/Services_and_Partners/Dimensional-Clearance/doublestack-7-22-2014.pdf
The map is for Multi-Level Auto racks - not Stacks.
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BaltACDThe map is for Multi-Level Auto racks - not Stacks.
Well, if you go here and click on the double stack map it will bring up the map in my first post.
http://www.csx.com/index.cfm/customers/other-services-partners/dimensionalclearance/clearance-maps/
CSX may have the wrong link on their site.
There are four maps to choose from here. One link is labeled multi level and one is labeled double stack. BOTH links show the multi level map.
Looks like CSX program has a bug.
Mac
Couple of observation points:
1. NS runs a daily 24M from Chicago to Baltimore which is single stack and very UPS heavy. It is a combination of international containers, TOFC, and domestic containers. I have never seen it doubled. It passes Chesterton about 630am daily.
2. CP intermodal trains CP142 and CP143 run via CSX and are symbolled Q165/Q166. Last week the Q166 had both stacks and general freight (which seems to be the latest EHH move to improve efficiency).
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PNWRMNM There are four maps to choose from here. One link is labeled multi level and one is labeled double stack. BOTH links show the multi level map. Looks like CSX program has a bug. Mac
- Paul North.
CSX's ex-Clinchfield line cannot handle double stacks
Paul_D_North_Jr PNWRMNM There are four maps to choose from here. One link is labeled multi level and one is labeled double stack. BOTH links show the multi level map. Looks like CSX program has a bug. Mac Not the first time casual but informed users/ visitors like us have found such a thing . . . And just why do those IT guys who let stuff like that slip through get the big buck$ ?!? - Paul North.
Not the first time casual but informed users/ visitors like us have found such a thing . . . And just why do those IT guys who let stuff like that slip through get the big buck$ ?!?
The old Clinchfield main through S.W. Va., East Tennessee and W. North Carolina doesn't have the clearance for stacks. It could be a real advantage because it is the shortest route from the midwest to the southeast.
CSX has already started.
cjcalton The old Clinchfield main through S.W. Va., East Tennessee and W. North Carolina doesn't have the clearance for stacks. It could be a real advantage because it is the shortest route from the midwest to the southeast.
The Clinchfield is one of the most congested routes on CSX just handling it's present traffic. To handle any more it would need to be double tracked, and with the territory it transverses that would be a very sizeable investment.
cjcaltonClinchfield main through S.W. Va., East Tennessee and W. North Carolina doesn't have
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mudchicken [snipped; emphasis added - PDN] 'cuz those IT bubbas are wards of the operating department, . . . (Operating doesn't understand them either)...."shiny road apples"term applied frequently.
Likely only some of us who have familiarity with rural areas quite a few years ago will understand the "road apples" reference (for those who don't: think of the natural 'discharges' resulting from horses and other livestock on roads . . . )
Does anyone know why the Indianapolis IN to Hamilton OH line is NO to multilevel's? Some highway bridge perhaps?
Electroliner 1935 Does anyone know why the Indianapolis IN to Hamilton OH line is NO to multilevel's? Some highway bridge perhaps?
Paul_D_North_Jr mudchicken [snipped; emphasis added - PDN] 'cuz those IT bubbas are wards of the operating department, . . . (Operating doesn't understand them either)...."shiny road apples"term applied frequently. (Psst - MC: Did you mean "marketing" instead in your first sentence ? 'Cause I can't see how the Operating people would be happy either with a map that depicts excess-height cars as being able to go where they actually can't, even though the timetable or other rules would govern instead and [hopefully] prevent anything bad from happening . . . ) Likely only some of us who have familiarity with rural areas quite a few years ago will understand the "road apples" reference (for those who don't: think of the natural 'discharges' resulting from horses and other livestock on roads . . . ) - Paul North.
(Psst - MC: Did you mean "marketing" instead in your first sentence ? 'Cause I can't see how the Operating people would be happy either with a map that depicts excess-height cars as being able to go where they actually can't, even though the timetable or other rules would govern instead and [hopefully] prevent anything bad from happening . . . )
Operating people can't read a track chart properly, so why would a map be any different? They'll keep sending stax and mechanical will keep stopping them in the terminals until they sneak one by.....
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