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Zephyr engines move today
Posted by Boyd on Wednesday, December 17, 2014 12:58 AM

I live just 3 miles from where they sit. I stopped down there Monday and talked to one guy who is involved with moving them. They were to be moved this past Monday December 15th,, but it was delayed to today, Wednesday December 17th. I was down there in the last half hour and all the engines trucks have been hauled away. I hope they are not early and fast, cause I'll miss it if they are. I'm not a morning person. I will get pictures if I'm not there too late. I'll be the skinny guy driving a white Ranger. I'm sure Mr Paradau will be relieved, and the Stillwater government can find someone else to harrass. I wonder if Trains magazine would be interested in some pictures?

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Posted by Leo_Ames on Wednesday, December 17, 2014 2:11 AM

Boyd
I wonder if Trains magazine would be interested in some pictures?
 

It would brighten up the news page after what was in there a day or two ago. 

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Posted by K. P. Harrier on Wednesday, December 17, 2014 8:24 AM

Boyd (12-17):

 

Sounds interesting, Boyd, but I failed to get the vision.

 

What exactly are “Zephyr engines”?  And, why is that of interest to the forum?  I’m on the west coast, and have been a fan of the original 1949 California Zephyr for years, so anything with “Zephyr” perks up my ears.  But, I’m totally at a loss of what you are excited about!

 

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Posted by BaltACD on Wednesday, December 17, 2014 9:03 AM

K. P. Harrier

Boyd (12-17):

 

Sounds interesting, Boyd, but I failed to get the vision.

 

What exactly are “Zephyr engines”?  And, why is that of interest to the forum?  I’m on the west coast, and have been a fan of the original 1949 California Zephyr for years, so anything with “Zephyr” perks up my ears.  But, I’m totally at a loss of what you are excited about!

 

Thanks,

 

K.P.

 

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Posted by Overmod on Wednesday, December 17, 2014 9:07 AM

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What exactly are “Zephyr engines”? And, why is that of interest to the forum?

It's a long story, and there have been at least two long threads on this subject in the past several years.  These are two F units that were used on a dinner train.  Now-absentee owner has 'disagreements' with the local government.  Plenty to read about the "Minnesota Zephyr", here and elsewhere.

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Posted by Brian Schmidt on Wednesday, December 17, 2014 10:50 AM

Please email pictures to newswire@trainsmag.com for consideration.

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Posted by ROBERT WILLISON on Wednesday, December 17, 2014 10:53 AM

Kp has nothing to do with original zephers. F units that were part of a dinner train operation. Just stole the name for more recognition.

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Posted by Boyd on Wednesday, December 17, 2014 12:14 PM

Sorry it was late at night When I started this post. so I left out of my context Stillwater Minnesota,,, Minnesota Zephyr dinner train. I'm in the Mn Zephyr parking lot as I type and both engines are still here. 

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Posted by Boyd on Wednesday, December 17, 2014 1:18 PM

I just talked to a reporter for the Pioneer Press and she had a voicemail from the movers saying there were technical difficulties. They "might" be here later today, but more likely Thursday to move the engines. 

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Posted by Boyd on Thursday, December 18, 2014 1:23 PM

Engines still here. No crew or semis. Who knows when it will happen? Other people have been coming in and out to see if they are moving yet. I'm sure moving two big & heavy locomotives over public roadways is rather complicated. 

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Posted by Boyd on Thursday, December 18, 2014 2:23 PM

There is an extensive article about this in the Stillwater Gazette. Www.stillwatergazette.com. Move looks to be Friday at the earliest. Details the hauling company and where they get transferred to lowboy rail flatcars. 

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Posted by mudchicken on Friday, December 19, 2014 8:54 AM

Hopefully the pair of old BN/NP warhorses get their old numbers back (716/752) and find productive use somewhere. Remember them well out on the Colorado plains working in shortline service. (Scandal survivors and then some)

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Posted by Boyd on Friday, December 19, 2014 4:20 PM

4:18pm and they are still here. I have to go to work soon. It's a never ending story.  

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Posted by Boyd on Friday, December 19, 2014 10:39 PM

I called the hauler and had a great &  short conversation with a guy, sorry I forgot his name. Estimated to start loading this coming Sunday and ship one out Monday if they get the road permits. They are still waiting for road permits from the state of Minnesota. I dont know if they have 1 or 2 long & low trailers. I'd guess just one. This is probably just a little less complicated than moving a house. 

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Posted by BaltACD on Saturday, December 20, 2014 6:14 AM

When I was a kid in a small railroad town in Indiana, the local HOUSE mover was contracted by a local farmer to move a caboose from the railroad out to his farm.  As I recall it took at least 3 days to move it from where it was loaded to the city limit - multiple broken axles and burnt up wheel bearings plus several exploded tires - the caboose structure was much heavier than the mover thought.  Locomotives with prime movers still in place are much heavier yet.

Should be a good show when they actually start moving them.

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Posted by Boyd on Saturday, December 20, 2014 12:22 PM

I'm off work Monday. If it all works out I will get a video to put up on YouTube. The parking lot is tight there so I don't know if they will go south past P.D.Pappys or go out the parking lot opposite of the old wardens house. One thing I wonder is if the thaw we had in the last 10 days is a factor. It reached 50f about 5 days ago. 

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Posted by petitnj on Saturday, December 20, 2014 6:42 PM

The pigs are strapping on their wings! Why are they waiting for a road permit? Should have applied months ago. 

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Posted by Murphy Siding on Saturday, December 20, 2014 7:27 PM

BaltACD

When I was a kid in a small railroad town in Indiana, the local HOUSE mover was contracted by a local farmer to move a caboose from the railroad out to his farm.  As I recall it took at least 3 days to move it from where it was loaded to the city limit - multiple broken axles and burnt up wheel bearings plus several exploded tires - the caboose structure was much heavier than the mover thought.  Locomotives with prime movers still in place are much heavier yet.

Should be a good show when they actually start moving them.

 

 Wouldn't a caboose, even back then, have a weight stenciled on the side?

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Posted by Paul_D_North_Jr on Saturday, December 20, 2014 8:48 PM

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[snipped - PDN] . . . Why are they waiting for a road permit? Should have applied months ago. 

  • Insurance (for collisions) and bonding (for any road damage) required by the state can be difficult or time-consuming to obtain, review, and approve.   
  • Engineer checking of bridges along the route to make sure they can take the load, or restrictions to make that possible (stopping traffic in the other direction, etc.).  Also vertical clearances under bridges, overhead wires, etc. 
  • Holiday restrictions on such moves.  Here in PA it's from 3 PM Tues. through 9 AM Mon. both weekends.  Also such moves are daylight-only even on days when allowed, but only between 9 AM to 3 PM in urban areas. 

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Posted by Boyd on Saturday, December 20, 2014 8:57 PM

When they moved the Zephyr passenger cars they did it during the night. They delayed that move until some construction downtown was done. Also, the Minnesota DOT is EXTREMELY strict with commercial vehicles. 

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Posted by Boyd on Sunday, December 21, 2014 1:40 PM

They are here now loading up one. i'll ask questions and try not to get in the way. 

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Posted by narig01 on Sunday, December 21, 2014 10:27 PM
Paul D North Jr has it right on the permit problems. Moving a passenger railcar weighing 50 to 60 tons is too major a problem. Locomotives weighing 250,000 lbs are another story. On that kind of weight you generally get a police escort. And you have to pay for that escort based on police overtime rates. Not cheap and very time consuming.
Doing an overdimension movement is a complicated process. Doing it wrong can and has,in the past, damaged highways, cargo and equipment. This is one of the things our government does Our taxes pay for is to make sure that government has the capacity to do it right. In Minnesota's case I suspect they are being even more cautious as this move has had problems in the past.
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Posted by Boyd on Sunday, December 21, 2014 11:32 PM

There is a new bridge across the St.Croix river being built. HWY 95 going south through Stillwater goes through the construction zone and over new roads for it. The new river bridge section over 95 is not there yet so that is not a hinderance. As for the rest of the route that could take days to research the road load ratings, bridges, intersection sizes and who knows what else. I hope I'm lucky enough to see them on the move. I stopped by around 9pm Sunday 21st and the 2nd engine was still on blocks but with the air or hydraulic jacks in place under it. It looks like they will move both engines at the same time. I'll put up a YouTube video in the next hour under name "Boyd W". 

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Posted by Boyd on Monday, December 22, 2014 3:25 PM

Almost like waiting for a funeral procession to start, people are coming and going from the Zephyr parking lot, city parking lot. Others were parking along HWY 95. Both engines are loaded up looking ready to go. I don't see State Patrol vehicles here to escort the move. 

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Posted by Wizlish on Monday, December 22, 2014 3:28 PM

WHY NO PICTURES?  WHY NO LINKS??

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Posted by Boyd on Monday, December 22, 2014 3:40 PM

Sorry I don't know how to post pictures here. I did post a video on YouTube last night under my name Boyd W. Copy/paste is beyond what I know how to do on this phone. One guy told me it looks like the move starts at midnight tonight. Good thing I'm a night owl as I will be down here. 

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Posted by Wizlish on Monday, December 22, 2014 3:44 PM

Boyd
Sorry I don't know how to post pictures here. I did post a video on YouTube last night under my name Boyd W.

Found it!

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Posted by K. P. Harrier on Monday, December 22, 2014 4:43 PM

Cool video, in more ways than one!

The cold shaking was well tolerated, as the subject matter was so good!

I almost feel like I was actually there.  Thanks f or sharing.

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Posted by Euclid on Monday, December 22, 2014 4:51 PM
Boyd,
It looks like they have a lot of equipment ready to make the move.  But it is definitely exceptionally cold outside because of low temperature and extreme wetness brought on by continuous rain.  Today, stepping outside in Minnesota is like jumping into 40-degree water.  It will be interesting to watch the move because anything can happen.  November froze like Antarctica, and now it is like thawing tundra.  It also must be hard to do all the rigging and labor outdoors in this weather.   
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Posted by Boyd on Monday, December 22, 2014 6:00 PM

I held the camera with both hands a few times to stop the shaking. Youtube has a video edit option to compensate for shaking but the result is sometimes like watching TV while your halucinating. I should buy some kind of holder or use my camera tripod with the legs in. I've had to repair vehicles a few times in rainy +35f weather and its painfull to my hands. I'd rather have +20f and low humidity. I will watch the engines depart tonight and possibly follow for a while. 

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