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Posted by blhanel on Monday, July 28, 2014 4:45 PM
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Posted by Paul_D_North_Jr on Monday, July 28, 2014 7:31 PM

You'd think everyone's Bridge & Building forces would have learned, after the trestle fire on a southern NS line about 4 years ago, that was also caused by welders.  Sigh That one killed the conductor and seriously injured the engineer (as best as I can recall) when the train came to a stop on the burning trestle.

There's a darn good reason for "hot work" permits and procedures in most industrial facilities.  Don't these guys have to follow the same protocols ?

From the photos on the linked website, there was plenty of water right next to and under the trestle to soak everything down both before and after the work (photo 3 of 4 - after the damage was done, of course).     

Not like the B&B folks have nothing to do out that way this time of year, either . . . .

- Paul North. 

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Posted by BaltACD on Monday, July 28, 2014 7:40 PM

Regrettably, not the first bridge burnt down by MofW forces - and it won't be the last.

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Posted by blue streak 1 on Monday, July 28, 2014 8:30 PM

Thought that all welding instructors always said after class.  " Police you work area for any sparks and especially look around any wood "

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Posted by Victrola1 on Monday, July 28, 2014 9:19 PM
During the late evening of August 10, 1887, a fifteen-foot trestle bridge on the Toledo, Peoria, and Western Railroad just outside of Chatsworth, Illinois,caught fire. It is unknown whether careless workers who had been burning weeds along the tracks earlier in the day accidentally started the fire or if sparks from a train had ignited the blaze. Regardless, by midnight the bridge was engulfed in flames, just as an excursion train carrying eight hundred passengers reached the crossing.

https://www.ideals.illinois.edu/bitstream/handle/2142/83/Chatsworth%20Train%20Wreck,%201887.pdf?sequence=2

History contains worse. Thankfully, no deaths, nor injuries resulted.

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Posted by BaltACD on Monday, July 28, 2014 9:23 PM

The problem afflicts welders an rail grinders.  Even when they police & dowse their areas in water - there can be that 'rogue' ember, that is unseen and draws no attention to itself during an after work inspection; that eventually works its way into a conflagration.

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Posted by NorthWest on Monday, July 28, 2014 9:32 PM

While creosote is a wonderful preservative; being derived from coal or oil, it is rather flammable and burns hot for a long while when ignited.

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Posted by The Butler on Tuesday, July 29, 2014 4:25 AM

From the same site:

Firefighters Battle Bridge Fire from Mississippi River

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Firefighters Battle Bridge Fire from Mississippi River
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Firefighters Battle Bridge Fire from Mississippi River
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Firefighters Battle Bridge Fire from Mississippi River
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Firefighters Battle Bridge Fire from Mississippi River
Read more at http://www.kcrg.com/subject/news/public-safety/firefighters-battle-bridge-fire-from-mississippi-river-20140728?utm_source=kcrg&utm_medium=web&utm_campaign=discovery#lPexolObzQe1rATw.99
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Firefighters Battle Bridge Fire from Mississippi River
Read more at http://www.kcrg.com/subject/news/public-safety/firefighters-battle-bridge-fire-from-mississippi-river-20140728?utm_source=kcrg&utm_medium=web&utm_campaign=discovery#lPexolObzQe1rATw.99
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Posted by mudchicken on Wednesday, July 30, 2014 3:34 PM

The question, among others, is was the welding gang of the B&B or Track flavor. I suspect it was the track folksSigh If boutet or arc welding were involved, then water would be a BAD idea. (The NS was a composite bridge - the plastic binder set it all off instead of the creosote, much more volatile stuff)

In my experience, the track welders always struggle to have enough water or fire extinguisher capacity. I got questioned severely for brainstorming with my guys and buying each welder a pair of old 40# soda chemical water extinguishers for each truck that they could load and recharge with their on-board compressors (tried fire retardant with comical results, went back to water - purple floating bubblesEmbarrassed))...we had severe issues with high country dry grass and brush. Looked like an open deck timber pile trestle that burned in IA. (that's one way to get rid of one of those cheap pain-in-the-patootie anachronismsMischief 310 K replacement bridge ?)

Shields/ spark deflectors can only do so much.

Cursing the land records system in northern Delaware and trying to escape Philly in the big tin bird. My work is getting more difficult because of some clepto county clerks not willing to let some foreigner from flyover country look at some really old mapping and related records they have squirrelled away.  Did manage to salvage the trip with a visit to Achives 2 whilst here.

If only the Iowa railroads had the supply of masonry available to the east coast original railroad builders. Saw some really impressive PRR stone boxes and short 1-span bridges with really tall stone head & wingwalls this week.

Mooks is busy assembling a bigger net over there in Nebrasky this afternoon. Here kitty!

Mudchicken Nothing is worth taking the risk of losing a life over. Come home tonight in the same condition that you left home this morning in. Safety begins with ME.... cinscocom-west
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Posted by Mookie on Wednesday, July 30, 2014 3:54 PM

Sir C - can't imagine that you couldn't charm those clepto county clerks like you did the kitty.  Unless they wear green eyeshades and funny fur under their nose. 

You are probably safe for now.  While out train watching, I threw a net up toward one of those tankers Travel that practice touch-and-go @ our old air base.  I caught an SD70MAC!  Oops

She who has no signature! cinscocom-tmw

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Posted by herdebu on Wednesday, July 30, 2014 9:45 PM
How long will it take to get the line open? Eugene H
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Posted by blhanel on Wednesday, July 30, 2014 10:27 PM

The local news reported tonight that the line is already back open- no details on how they accomplished that, though.

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