QUOTE: Originally posted by Kozzie QUOTE: Originally posted by M.W. Hemphill Got it. Model railroading does a lot of that, i.e., invent labels for things in the prototype world so it can discriminate between things visually. Model railroading has an almost entirely visual relationship to the object, whereas real railroading has an almost entirely functional relationship to the object. The epitome of this are the "Phase" descriptions model railroaders apply to GP9s, GP30s, etc., which have zero correlation to anything that matters to a railroad, which couldn't care less if there are two small grills on one GP9 and one big one on another. The flip side of that is that the differences that matter to railroaders are impossible for modelers to capture -- there's no way you can effectively model automatic transistion vs. manual, or a larger aux generator in a GP9, or a EM2000 control vs. the static card controls, or even more simply, a D27 traction motor vs. a D77: they're in the same case. I don't have any problem with model railroaders inventing these labels if it makes sense for them, but I think they might want to be more careful with it. At best, taking the model railroad language into the real railroad world results in some hilariously incoherent conversations -- like this one! I suggest that the more that model railroaders invent their own language, the more they will isolate themselves from the railroad objects they are modeling, and the less they will understand of it. Yes..and confuse poor folk like me who think it's a valid name from part of e.g. Santa Fe's history ...anyway., it's been an interesting thread all the same[:)] Dave
QUOTE: Originally posted by M.W. Hemphill Got it. Model railroading does a lot of that, i.e., invent labels for things in the prototype world so it can discriminate between things visually. Model railroading has an almost entirely visual relationship to the object, whereas real railroading has an almost entirely functional relationship to the object. The epitome of this are the "Phase" descriptions model railroaders apply to GP9s, GP30s, etc., which have zero correlation to anything that matters to a railroad, which couldn't care less if there are two small grills on one GP9 and one big one on another. The flip side of that is that the differences that matter to railroaders are impossible for modelers to capture -- there's no way you can effectively model automatic transistion vs. manual, or a larger aux generator in a GP9, or a EM2000 control vs. the static card controls, or even more simply, a D27 traction motor vs. a D77: they're in the same case. I don't have any problem with model railroaders inventing these labels if it makes sense for them, but I think they might want to be more careful with it. At best, taking the model railroad language into the real railroad world results in some hilariously incoherent conversations -- like this one! I suggest that the more that model railroaders invent their own language, the more they will isolate themselves from the railroad objects they are modeling, and the less they will understand of it.
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QUOTE: Originally posted by locomutt Kozzie, Don't feel bad about that post. Sometimes the manufactors get the best of us. I remember "several" years ago that a certain maker did a C&O car,swore by everything that it was correct,down to the last detail. Well turns out it wasn't. And "I" have still never heard that phrase for that paint scheme for the AT&SF. You win some,you lose some,some you just learn from.[:)]
QUOTE: Originally posted by M.W. Hemphill No. It's Santa Fe. It way predates Athearn.
QUOTE: Originally posted by M.W. Hemphill Chico is a cartoon character of a Navajo boy that figured in Santa Fe advertising in the 1950s and 60s -- perhaps earlier. He'd appear doing things like making a sand painting saying "Santa Fe" as a freight train goes by in the background. Type chico and "santa fe" into google on the IMAGES link and it will show you about 30 different versions. "Cat's Whiskers" is not a paint-scheme name I have ever heard of in 30 years. I groan at the thought of yet another invented name for something that already has one.
QUOTE: Originally posted by mudchicken I worked on ATSF and NEVER heard the freight scheme being referred to as Cats Whiskers ...and Kozzie dude - Have you ever seen the Black/White/Silver or Black/White/Orange striped schemes that Chico initially applied to his diesels (complete with white and blue box herald?)???? (EMD EA's 1 & 1A "Amos & Andy" had all 4 variations over their careers)
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QUOTE: Originally posted by drephpe QUOTE: Originally posted by edblysard Well, I was gonna say "Come on down", but I guess it would be "Come on up" for you... Anytime you make it to Texas...[:D] Ed Dave-- That goes for us too. Come on up and we'll all go twist Mookie's tail![}:)][}:)][}:)] By the way, Outback is hardly Aussie.[(-D] But the food is generally OK.
QUOTE: Originally posted by edblysard Well, I was gonna say "Come on down", but I guess it would be "Come on up" for you... Anytime you make it to Texas...[:D] Ed
QUOTE: Originally posted by M636C I've never heard the scheme called "cat's whiskers", but it was used on all freight F units when new, until replaced on some units with the yellow warbonnet scheme. It had three yellow horizontal stripes on the nose, either side of a vertical yellow band. This scheme, with maroon substituted for blue, was used in Australia for the New South Wales railways for cab units, and a single Victorian S class, 313, is currently painted in this scheme, with suitably altered lettering for "Steamrail Victoria" the current owners. Peter
QUOTE: Originally posted by UPTRAIN It was used in pre WWII if I'm not mistaken on FT units used for freight and maybe passenger. These units were later painted into the more classically know warbonnet scheme. I have the first issue ever of classic trains magazine somewhere around here that talked about the cat whisker locomotives. Really, when I saw the name of this topic, I wasn't sure if you were talking about the pre-WB cat whiskers, or the catFISH whiskers of NS units [:D].
QUOTE: Originally posted by Kozzie QUOTE: Originally posted by edblysard You know, She has been know to eat at "The Outback" every once in a while.... "The Outback" sounds like an Ozzie style restaurant...wonder how genuine it is....hmmmm...one day I might get the opportunity to try it out...and pester some of you lot at closer range heh heh.....[;)] Dave [:)]
QUOTE: Originally posted by edblysard You know, She has been know to eat at "The Outback" every once in a while....
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QUOTE: Originally posted by edblysard First though was you had a new photo of Mookie! Course, now you have to twist her tail a little... Ed[:D]
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